[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: I learned
- From: RopajaGSD@xxxxxxx
- To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 22:18:22 EDT
Okay, I will have to jump in the fray...
Paulette,
The answer you received was from some one who does not have a very positive
attitude toward this award (AKC JAM/AOE) as is obviously by her answer
"tearing one award down to lift up another" which in MHO is a sad state of
affairs whether it concerns an award or a person or a dog. I am sure you have
heard this attitude expressed concerning other areas of life...it is a
poor defense of anything (or anyone) when you have to tear something down to
build something else up. That said, I will also add that the person who
responded with the explanation is very close to this matter as she has worked
long and hard to get this award in place and it is understandable (not
excusable) why she responded the way she did. Additionally, she had had many
wonderful dogs in the past when she was actively showing and is a long
standing supporter of the breed. Again, in mho, she did not choose her words
wisely when she responded to your original question.
Now for my personal observation: You (generic) could explain the GSDCA
SELECT Award the same way; dog did not go Best of Breed; did not go Best of
Opposite, but was considered good enough to be honorably mentioned with the
title "Select". Were you (again generic) to denigrate the Select award
around the many people whose dogs have been so rewarded, it would not go over
very big either, and rightly so. All of those awards are very important to
the people whose dogs have been so noted and each of those awards can be
explained in a factual civilized way with no denigration for any of them.
The BIS that my bitch was awarded is very important to me and I (again mho)
consider it as great an award as a Select would be...I want that one too
(VBG); but I certainly would not try to diminish the BIS award because my
(generic) dog went Select or vice versa.
These additional posts on the integrity, the knowledge, etc of judges
whether specialty or all breed is just people taking part of a post and going
off in a different direction, which "sometimes" happens on this list (grin)
and it is a whole other topic. Incidentally, my bitch also was awarded the
AKC JAM/AOE at the Eukanuba Invitational and I like Paula am proud of that
as well. Each of us are proud of whatever our dogs achieve and I do not
believe it is very classy to downgrade publicly, awards that are won by our
dogs that we are all so proud of..and we do need to remember (in the words of
LB) to "...encourage not to discourage...".
P.S. Paula, I hope I have added to your knowledge and that it was okay to
continue using your subject..
Pauline Moon - _www.ropajagsd.com_ (http://www.ropajagsd.com/)
Ropaja German Shepherds:Membe-GSDCAmercia & GSDCAtlanta - AKC JAM/AOE/BIS/
BISS CH Ropaja's Chateau Beaujolais OFA HIC; BISS AKC CH Ropaja's Chateau
Beaulieu OFA HIC; Our future: AKC CH. Ropaja's Je Suis Fleur De Lis; AKC
PTD Ropaja's Je Suis Gabrielle.
In a message dated 4/26/2010 9:34:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Msg: #1 in digest
From: "Paula Cooke" <pcooke212@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 23:47:43 GMT
Subject: Re: I learned
None of this is Rocket Science, nor is it as secretive as some GSDCA
stuff!!!
Just like the GSDCA Select rating; one judge's opinion at one show. No
more, no less.
Except, AKC allows only a limited number of entries to be awarded an AOE.
The GSDCA allows any and all entries to be awarded Select, at the judge's
discretion. There are less GSD's with the AKC AOE than there are GSD's
with the GSDCA Selects, Select Excellent, or even AOE's. Ergo, the AKC AOE is
a more rare and prestigious award, IMHO. I understand that our
self-esteemed Chairperson of the GSDCA AOE Committee considers the AKC AOE to
be a
Second-Class or Second-Rate award. I don't believe she has ever had a dog
awarded one. Actually, I don't believe that she even competes in our sport!!
Them than can, do, them that can't, criticize and condemn??
You will see Grand Champions in the next few months. I am sure that there
will be quite a few this summer. It is not hard to look it up on the AKC
website!!
http://www.akc.org/news/index.cfm?article_id=4096
Paula, 168 days and counting
Home of Best in Show, Multi-Group Winning, GSDCA Dual Title Award
Recipient, AKC JAM/AOE, International and American Champion Asgard Harley
Davidson
v Plamark, HT, PT, CGC, TC, HIC, OFA (Hips, Elbows, Heart & Thyroid) DNA
tested clear of the long-coat factor.
---------- Original Message ----------
From: <cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: I learned
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:32:58 -0400
I have not been able to watch the Eukanuba AKC Invitational Show for years
and I was confused about the AKC JAM/AOE award. So, I asked and I learned
the following:
"The AKC JAM/AOE" Award is received when your dog is NOT awarded Best of
Breed and NOT awarded Best Opposite Sex at the Eukanuba AKC Invitational
Show but still acknowledged by the all breed judge on that day, as having
merit. A ribbon is presented to the dogs that did not go BOB or BOS but the
judge felt should receive another award that says, "Award of Excellence."
Now, I have lots of questions regarding the AKC "Grand Champion" title.
Paulette McGuirt, GSDCA Member
Wellborn-Allemande German Shepherds
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Msg: #2 in digest
From: ELG440@xxxxxxx
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 20:08:03 EDT
Subject: As I recall
In a message dated 4/26/10 4:49:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
pcooke212@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
I understand that our self-esteemed Chairperson of the GSDCA AOE
Committee
considers the AKC AOE to be a Second-Class or Second-Rate award. I don't
believe she has ever had a dog awarded one. Actually, I don't believe
that she even competes in our sport!!
I hate to argue with my good friend Paula, but Helen has had some great
dogs, and I think an AOE. I remember one in particular. Don Quixote was
one
of our very special dogs and there were others. Helen never showed in
all-breed shows as I recall, but she certainly has had an impact on our
breed
with her dogs.
Not that there is anything wrong with that.
Evan Ginsburg
Asgard German Shepherds
http://www.asgardgsd.com/
Where Type Movement and Temperament come together
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