I have been going to Specialty shows for many years. I have NEVER seen an intoxicated judge judging at a Specialty show. Saying things like this is the old red herring argument technique. Inflammatory. Lots of heat, little light. I also have never seen a dog that was "very obviously limping" go BOB at a Specialty.What exactly did the "specialists" to whom you referred do that you thought deseved their getting "their licenses pulled"? I have certainly disagreed with specialty judges' placements, and that's fine. I have never seen a specialty judge do anything in their judging that merited their getting "their license pulled". Are you talking about ethical improprieties or poor judging based on lack of knowledge? Better to be specific before casting aspersions. Your "one judge's opinion on one day" comment suggests an equality of value of opinions that does not correspond to reality. Some judges' opinions are better than others because they know the breed better. "Let's have fun and play nice." ?? Good idea. tom elkins ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paula Cooke" <pcooke212@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:16 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: I learned > You are so right. I have seen multi-group winners who have actually won > their "multi-groups" under the same judge, just at different shows! > > I have seen more than one Select animal, as well as GV and GVx, and other > BOBs at specialties and at all-breeds that have made me scratch my head. > Saw a class bitch at a specialty show, very obviously limping, go BOB over > specials by an intoxicated judge! Every show is a different experience. > Every breed win, from Best Puppy through BOB/GV/Select is just ONE judge's > opinion on ONE day!! > > The GSD has a bad rep in some arenas; if we don't show the public, and the > judges, correct dogs, especially with good temperament (a HUGE belief in > the all-breed world is the perception that our dogs have spooky > temperaments..wonder why??), they will continue to be dissed!! One of > Harley's group judges did something to Harley that I think was wrong, but, > it was something the judge knew could really spook a dog (we thought that > he really wanted to put up the Corgi that day). Harley didn't budge, just > stood his ground, and went on to win the Group. There are all-breed > judges who know a good, over-all dog better than some so-called > specialists. There are some all-breed judges who REALLY love GSD's. > There are some specialists who have had, and should have, their licenses > pulled. We all have a lot to learn from each other. > > As Mr. and Mrs. Roberts used to say in their ads: Records live; opinions > die. > > Elitism is not a pretty thing. Let's have fun and play nice!! > > Paula, 167 days and counting > > Home of Best in Show, Multi-Group Winning, GSDCA Dual Title Award > Recipient, AKC JAM/AOE, International and American Champion Asgard Harley > Davidson v Plamark, HT, PT, CGC, TC, HIC, OFA (Hips, Elbows, Heart & > Thyroid) DNA tested clear of the long-coat factor. > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx> > To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 4:28 AM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: I learned > > > ................................So for me, it's more of a question of > "tell me who you won under". > > Then again, I've scratched my head at some of the dogs who have received a > Sel. rating... same question, "who'd you win under?" > > I'm optimistic. 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