Hi Jackie, NO dog is perfect. Not in the 50's, 60's, 90's or today. There are always top winners but never perfection - although some come a lot closer than others LOL The breed is a work in progress. Each generation should get closer and closer to perfection. However, when you try to change one aspect of the breed - pick any one - and just focus on that you loose ground somewhere else. So in the 70's we were working on ski slope toplines and got size. In the 80's we got too much rear and began to loose forehands and breed type because toplines go so extreme. Then in the 90's we started to cut back on the rear and began to moderate toplines and lost masculinity in males and GOT IT in bitches! Today we are breeding for mascline males and feminine bitches while trying to maintain correct size AND working on breed type but we lost movement. Next, we'll hopefully work on movement and loose ....... ? There is not such thing as the perfect dog. What was correct 45 years ago is not correct today because we have been working to improve - not on the standard - but the breed - trying to get closer to that illusive perfection. Those top winners were just the best available from their generation. Each generation should be a little "different" (translate that to mean closer to the standard) than their parents or as breeders we are not doing our job - trying to breed to the STANDARD. This is why breeding with frozen semen is so important. We are not breeding backwards. We are using dogs with attributes that we may have had, but lost, due to breeders' focus on correcting other, more pressing, problems. JMO Suzanne www.tsalishepherds.com Home of Ch Firedog, Ch Cookie, Ch Flair, BIS/BISS Ch Yancy, and Ch Flash! Website updated 10/05 -------------- Original message -------------- From: MarcatoGSD@xxxxxxx > Ok, so apparently the kind of dog I like is wrong. But what I don't > understand is, how come if this dog was correct 45 years ago, he's not now? > Isn't > correct, correct? No matter how you look at it? Even if the style of dog has > changed? > > > - Jackie > > Marcato Shepherds > Where it's about function, not flash > > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================