What an amazing thread, and a great debate about what a puppy mill is. I've even seen Lloyd Brackett, and Mrs. Dodge put into the same category as folks supplying pet stores with puppies? That's something I would have never expected to read. Let's go a little farther. Since Mr. Hunte is obviously wealthy, how difficult would it be for him to not only finish a champion, but if he hires the right people ... have the top winning GSD of all time? How about top producer? Boy, wouldn't that make that pet store pedigree worth showing off? What is a puppy mill? A puppy mill is a business that produces dogs for the purpose of making money. There is no reason to debate how many dogs any kennel or person can care for at one time. I've known several breeders who've had up to thirty dogs, and spent a full day, every day, taking good care of all of them. The question to ask is why they have so many dogs. There is a world of difference between having a large number of dogs because you love all of them, and having that same number in order to produce enough puppies to earn a living ... even if the dogs owned by the latter are just as well cared for. Just a note ... Neither of these circumstances includes people who hoard animals, which most often is the person we see on the news with dozens of sick and poorly cared for animals. That is a mental condition ... not always a puppy mill. What has apparently been overlooked is the basic goal that good dog breeders have always employed ... To breed better dogs. Unfortunately, I think a tendency to not see that goal as a dividing line is somewhat a sign of the times. Mr. Brackett, Mrs. Dodge, and most larger kennels of the past had that goal in mind first, and with ample funds available to achieve that goal it is natural that they acquired a larger number of dogs to maintain their breeding programs. They weren't breeding to supply the pet market and earn a living. They were trying to produce good dogs, according to the standard. If you think about how things are today, some might mistake that noble goal as breeding dogs in order to win dog shows. While both mentioned breeders could boast about many show winners, it is very unlikely that was their primary goal. They won dog shows because they produced good dogs ... They didn't produce good dogs merely to win dog shows. There is an important difference that I'm afraid many people today just do not understand. I'm not sure I see much of a difference between breeding dogs to make money, and breeding dogs merely to win dog shows. Both seem to have personal gain as the main objective, and the breed as a secondary or nonexistent concern. Don't get me wrong. I'm not calling dog show enthusiasts sinners. I believe that almost everyone is involved because of their love for the breed, but I do worry that some may lose sight of their motives in all the glitter that comes with winning big in the dog game. In any case ... Perhaps we shouldn't be judging Mr. Hunte or his motives. We will though ... because we love and naturally want to protect the breed. Tom Langlitz ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================