Like Hallie, I suspect the AKC Board was looking at the deal in a different light than the rest of us. The only puppies that would be registered are the ones from AKC registered litters. We don't have Petland here, but a coworker bought a puppy from a petshop last year that was advertised as 'registered'. They gave her an address to send away for the papers, then when they came back, she came up to me and asked, "What is CKC?" The papers were from Missouri, and she was horrified to learn she didn't have an AKC puppy (BTW - she didn't ask me before going to a petshop!). I've had puppy buyers come back to me months after buying a pup because they'd lost the papers and now wanted to register their dog. That's why I send the papers for each puppy myself now - this way I know they are correctly filled out and the buyer receives the registration at their home. AKC may have had inquiries from pet buyers who either didn't get the papers, or lost theirs. They have no breeder to go back to and I'm sure Petland doesn't keep records of each puppy's registration papers. I'm interested in hearing what Carmen has to say, but I don't believe he would have voted for anything he thought would hurt responsible breeders. Standing up against AKC on PAWS shows he actually reads and studies an issue before going along with it, and will take a stand if he doesn't agree. Janice Buchanan In a message dated 10/9/2006 7:13:15 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, InquestGSD@xxxxxxx writes: In a message dated 10/8/2006 11:48:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mcmuse@xxxxxxx writes: I have spoken with an individual in my area who is a delegate and I think that there are many pieces to the Petland issue that we either do not know about or have not discussed, such as if these puppies are not registered with AKC, they will be registered somewhere....Not that I am saying that response justifies anyone supporting the idea, but I think it does lend itself to the idea that maybe there is more to this story than we know. It is very difficult to pass sound judgment without all the facts. Hallie McMullen ------------ We have been dealing with the Continental Kennel Club registry in this area for years. What we have to understand is that the unaware public only thinks of the registration paper (of any registry) as a validation. The majority doesn't even begin to learn about the breed of dog they purchased until after they have it, and usually until after the problems begin. Then many make a decision >> do we take it to the shelter and buy another one???? And many never register their puppies, whether they buy them from a breeder or Petland. That part of the process is unimportant to them. They are content with having "papers". This is why the AKC/Petland deal was so good for AKC, they would be getting registration revenue from Petland, people wouldn't even care they were putting an extra $15 dollars on their purchase. By the time they buy the pup, the crate, the food the bowls, what is an extra $15? Start thinking that pups at Petland, at least around here, go for $1200, and when they get older you can get them on sale for $899. Fifteen dollars is nothing on an impulsive, emotional purchase. The shame is that AKC, after all the years of their preaching about people buying from good breeders, will stoop so low as to be associated with puppy mills. And if you don't think this is wrong, well, I guess we'll have to disagree. Spend a day at the shelter after they raid one of the puppy mills, and try to forget the sights, and the smells. Then we can talk. Lack of education is the biggest problem, as usual. On our side, lets become educated. Lets review these situations, and learn the FACTS. Then we can discuss. I am very curios to see how each individual director on our board feels about the Petland deal and about the Hunte deal. These are the people making decisions for us. We NEED to know their thinking, and make sure they know ours. Maybe a poll is in order. Ileana God put me on this earth to accomplish a certain number of things. Right now I am so far behind, I'll never die. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================