Helen, Last summer I judged in Australia (specialty show and all-breed) and was impressed with there dogs. All German lines (or Norway, Italian) and some of them were imported from Germany. They were absolutely beautiful animals. So I agree with you... Michel In Montreal -----Message d'origine----- De : showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] De la part de helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx Envoyé : 3 avril 2009 16:30 À : Objet : [ SHOWGSD-L ] Humble Pie I used to say, “The only good thing out of Germany, is a Mercedes.â€Â Well, I’m here to eat a large helping of humble pie. Having bred and owned many Champions, Selects, an AOE, Maturity Victrix, ROM’s, etc., and having judged 4 Nationals, ( 1 Canadian), I thought I knew “the score†regarding our german shepherd dogs. But the nice thing is, you are never too old to learn. Recently exposed to great german dogs and visiting german kennels, has been an eye opener. Imagine a kennel filled with several litters and they all looked alike; they all had ears (without tape) black and red red, bone, dark eyes, and exceptional temperament. They did not have carp backs which I now think is the way they are posed for pictures (and can’t understand why), but nice straight backs, depth of body, and good conformation. It was also interesting to see some oldies, 14, 15 and 16. Average life span is 14.  I have hung up the whelping box but were I still breeding dogs, I would most definitely add some of what the germans have created. We can use their pigment, character, heads, bone, eye color and longevity. Out crossing done with knowledge, improves health, stamina and injects qualities needed. Further, we may have more extreme side gait but is that really everything? It shouldn’t be but we have made it so. I’d rather have less side gait in my 14 year old dog then a “flye r†that I lose at 10. We need to concentrate on the TOTAL dog without blindness to “flash.â€Â I do believe that the german dogs can do great work without an obsession for extreme reach, and they prove it with titles. I do hope that some of you will take to heart what I have written and become more open to change. At least take a serious look at what the germans are producing. I have, and I like it. Helen Franklin  ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================