In a message dated 5/11/2006 6:34:40 PM Central Daylight Time, vomkristallaugen@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: I'm sorry, I have to ask this then....... why when first getting into showing Shepherds I was told by someone who's been there (over 25 yrs)to get myself a "name" handler because most owner/handled Shepherds either take WAY too long to finish, or don't finish at all. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I was talking to Jimmy Moses this weekend. During the conversation, he mentioned why someone else showed his specials bitch at the Canadian National. He said she loves him too much, and wouldn't go out on the lead for him well enough in that type of competition. She would probably hang back and nip at his pant leg. <G> My wife handled for years. In that time she took a lot of points on client's dogs, and very few on our own. Ronny Gates used to tell me that since Peg was the handler, I had to be the one the dogs were nuts for. I tried, but Peg is always the dogs' first choice, no matter who does the feeding or who spends the most time with them. Don't get me wrong ... The dogs love me ... just not as much as they love mama. Although there have been exceptions, owner handling usually comes with that handicap ... if it's possible that a dog's love for its owner can be a handicap. <G> With that, consider the things a professional handler already brings to the equation ... like knowing what traits and types different judges prefer, experience in general, or just plain well honed handling skills. On the other hand, if you sincerely want to be in the ring, I say go for it. Just understand that your decision will make a difference in how well the dog does over the long run. If you have a star, your handling abilities will very likely slow the dog down, and possibly cost higher awards later on. If you can wait for your wins and honestly work hard at learning to handle and learning the judges, then go for it. Keep in mind though, that deciding any judge that puts up the pro over you is a crook, is not "learning the judges." I wouldn't ask anyone to be so naive that they believe all judges are honest, but I suggest that they also not be so novice that they are convinced the whole game is a sham. The dog game is controlled by people, and so it is as honest, crooked, brilliant, and ignorant as people can be. Tom Langlitz ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================