In a message dated 5/27/10 4:59:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, VPREZHMF@xxxxxxx writes: even if the dog/bitch from a non-regular class is given BOB-BOS ,--if it isn't an entered Ch. he cannot get GC points, The key word is points for GC must be given to Champions of record ( meaning they are Champions before the show ) I'm sure their are going to be mistakes made,until judges get used to doing this , The steward will be a big key in this to prevent it. It would be a shame if the mistake had to be corrected by AKC,and GC points rescinded Since I will be doing this in three days, this is what I have determined. I will Select my Best of Breed, my Best of Winners, and my Best Opposite Sex winners. Before I announce that, I will announce that no one is to leave the ring, when I pick these winners. At that point I will ask the ring steward which of those dogs are Champions as of the day of the judging? Then when I know which are Champions, I will determine what two dogs and what two bitches I want to award the Grand Champion points to. As best I can understand I then have to write in the book who I give it to, and also mark those champions that do not get it, NA, or something of that sort. Maybe it is NA NA NA NA! Thanks to all who helped me figure this out. The last show I was at had nine champions. After the judge placed the BOB, BOW, and BOS, she turned to the rest, before announcing the winners, and said: "You are all getting the blue and white ribbon for Grand Champion points." A bunch of us corrected her, and I think it got changed. Like anything new, it will be worked out. And I choose to believe Vivian when she says she is first. Even if she wasn't. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Evan Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================