Iza I disagree- I think Judges want to see the dog gait- some handlers are better than others but allot of owners and juniors can get more from an animal than some over worked tried sore big name handlers- consistency does help regardless of what some owners think-remember the judge is looking at several animals most of the time and an animal that has fleeting glimpses of greatness may be missed-some of this goes to training not who is on the lead but if you send your dog with a handler they are supposed to be trained more so than most dogs kept at home with owners who have competing interest for their time-Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iza Kabuska" <iza10@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <PAGAIRS@xxxxxxx>; <HyHope@xxxxxxx>; <cudjoe@xxxxxxxxxx>; <rivendellp@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <Stoneshep2@xxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:04 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Honest Judges > *Surprised* at the judges that don't judge KNOWN handlers equally with = > some that aren't as well known ??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - that is really = > the laugh for the day !! With all these posts about how a handler can = > show your dog to its best advantage, I wondered when someone would = > mention this little fact - IF YOU ARE NOT A VERY WELL-KNOWN = > HANDLER,HAVING BEEN AROUND FOR YEARS, YOU WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED, NO = > MATTER HOW GOOD A HANDLER YOU ARE AND HOW GOOD A DOG YOU HAVE !!!!!! = > This, of course, is not true for every specialty judge, but an awful lot = > of them - and, this of course, is just my humble opinion. > > Happy New Year to everyone !! > > Iza Kabuska > http://www.karizmashepherds.com > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "ANN SCHULTZ" <edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <PAGAIRS@xxxxxxx>; <HyHope@xxxxxxx>; <cudjoe@xxxxxxxxxx>; = > <rivendellp@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <Stoneshep2@xxxxxxx>; = > <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:14 AM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Honest Judges > > > > Gary, Christina, MeMe and I thank you. Christina has as much talent = > as any professional handler out there, but you would be surprised at the = > judges that don't judge her dogs equally with those shown by top names. = > Gary, you are the exception, not the rule. By the way, MeMe went on to = > six specialty Best of breeds and Canadian Select #4 this year. Ann = > www.geocities.com/edangsd=20 > > PAGAIRS@xxxxxxx wrote:In a message dated 1/1/2005 7:24:38 PM Central = > Standard Time, HyHope@xxxxxxx=20 > > writes: > >> I hate to say this but I truly feel that some of the Junior Handlers = > are=20 > >> better than some of the professionals. If they stay with handling, = > they are=20 > >> going to be a very strong force to be reckoned with. Just my opinion. > >> - > >> John > >>=20 > > I couldn't agree more John. 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