Years ago and I don't remember how many.I was judging a specialty show and in the ring was the Bred By bitch class there were at least 4 entrys. One of the entrys was handled very very badly the dog was either jumping up on her handler or he was tripping over her. At any rate she was going to be 4th. Just before I pointed my finger to call the class this handler lost the lead on that bitch, and she FLOATED across the ring to the exit. It was the first time I got to see that bitch gait. To make a long story short she won the class. As I gave him the first place ribbon I told him to get a handler for winners. He did she went Best of Breed that day under me. She eventually went GVX of the USA but not with that owner handling. Good handling makes a difference. Fred Migliore ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================