Rachel, I suggest that at next years National you keep on eye on the performance of the Winners Dog or Winners Bitch during classes and for Winners, as well as during specials. These animals may be handled by as many as three different handlers during the course of the national..If you notice a difference, in most cases I would attribute that to the team aspect of dog and handler or perhaps the variation in handling ability. If you want to look at tapes, I would look for those in particular where the WD/WB failed to earn a select ribbon or near the end of the select animals. Handlers have an innate ability to focus a judges attention on the positive attributes of a dog and perhaps lesson the attention on their faults. Handlers seem to instinctively know what speed a dog should be presented at and adjusting to that speed. Many non-handlers typically run at their own speed and not that which is optimum for the dog. Handlers tend to know what pet peeves the judges have about the dogs exhibited to them, and make entries accordingly. I also think there is a distinct advantage as an owner(in a specialty ring), to be double handling outside in a big ring. Boy do dogs look good presented that way. At attention and focused(much like herding sheep) as they make those incredible passes. I love sitting in a lawn chair at eye level watching dogs exhibited out of doors. Cabin fever must have set in early, I'm already yearning for the futuity season to begin. You are correct, it is the Judges responsibility to "See All" in spite of all of those handlers tricks, but these guys are gooooood at what they do. I also find it is more cost effective to use a handler, particularly for specialty shows if you have an animal you feel is of the quality that would be competitive at the National . Just some of my thoughts on the subject. M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rachel Anderson" <gsdk9rat@xxxxxxxx> To: <Wasatchgld@xxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 3:05 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Honest Judges > Then, the judge needs to take the time to look gaiting, loose lead, free > stand, stacked...plus his hands on should tell him lay of shoulder, back, > etc. > Why only 90 seconds of "handled" handling? So, if you've got that cow hock > straightened when the judge looks at you, you're ok? > I really don't get it. But thanks to all of you who are trying to get it > through my thick skull! > Rach > ----- Original Message ----- ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================