if you look at the bitches on Barbara's website, the one she is referring to "looks" like she may have locked hocks and that the hockjoints tip in toward the center.. i.e she doesn't hold them up straight..A very extreme bitch.. it would be interesting to see if she opens those hocks when she moves.. Sue Madlung - Shadowacre Reg'd German Shepherds http://www.shadowacre.com/pups.htm GORGEOUS SHOW MALE FOR SALE!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Crowson" <ruready8336@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <vande001@xxxxxxxxx>; "Show GSD List" <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 6:28 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: [Germanshepherds4Show] Further explanation needed from me... > I believe she is talking about hocks that point toward the front of the > body..look at the pictures of stacked dogs, some point so far forward that > the whole hock lays on the ground...others have less of an angles, or do not > point as far forweard, and the hock stays off of the ground when stacked.. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cynthia VanDenBerge" <vande001@xxxxxxxxx> > To: "Show GSD List" <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:21 PM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: [Germanshepherds4Show] Further explanation needed > from me... > > > > I know...this is confusing me. I even looked at old Lance, Manix and > other older Fran-Jo dogs to see...still not getting it. Cynthia > > Peggy <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Barbara - (I didn't see any > picture of your bitch today) > > Hocks that point toward the body???? I don't even understand > this...hocks pointing toward the body would be backwards...and if they are > turning toward one another, that is cowhocked.............so I guess I don't > understand what you are trying to say. Are you trying to say that your > bitch is cowhocked? > > Peggy > > > > > > Barbara Galasso wrote: > > Hi: I got some private replies asking me what I meant by angulation in > the hocks. If you look at the picture I sent today of my Amber, you will > see that her hocks while she is standing turn in towards her body. They > don't stand straight up and down. Her daughter has the same angulation in > the hock.....turning slightly towards her body, rather than straight up and > down. I noticed this about her when she was first walking around at 4 > weeks. Her daughter is NOT steep in croup. Infact, she has a beautiful > croup. This puppy when she is gaiting in the house, gets her hindquarter > well under her and follows through in the rear. It's a very strong driving > rear. The best way to explain what I'm talking about would be to look at > the kind of angulation that you would have seen the Fran-Jo dogs have back > in the 70's and 80's. At that time, people were saying they were so > angulated that they were walking on their hocks. My girls are not that > extreme that their walking on > > their hocks, but they have that same angle to the hock that turns in > towards the body. I hope this makes it a little more clear what I'm trying > to say. Best wishes, Barbara > > > > -- > > > > -- Barbara J. 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