First I would like to thank everyone for their input, all agreed it is a puppy thing and he just needs exercise and training. Most everyone also suggested crating when not able for Mr. Bogey to be supervised. These are pet owners, who don't really believe in the crating, their poor choice, because yesterday, after me finding the second hole in the wall from Saturday evening to Sunday afternoon (no he wasn't left alone all that time, left at 2 a.m on Sunday morning, back at 7:30 a.m, at 11:30 a.m and then at 5 p.m.when found holes), that is exactly what I did with him, since I needed to run some more errands, before being able to stay until his human dad returned. I haven't encountered such a wild one myself, had some other issues, but none that ate holes in walls, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something as well. I tried talking this couple into not keeping a puppy from the litter they had in November, but since it was going to be the only litter that they were going to have (really bad experience with co-owner and breeding) they decided to keep a male. He really is a good boy, just needs training, which I've told them, they not only have the 2 yr old human, but a new baby will be arriving in September. It's really kinda of interesting since I help train this wild ones' mother, they called for help when she was 6 months old, Hoolie is now 6 yrs old, but she (Hoolie) sits away watching this wild child, it's like her eyes are saying, that's not being very smart! Some have said when he jumps to turn your back, well, that works until he comes at you from the back, all corrections to him are playing, so positive reenforcement with treats is working better, and having him sit immediately does work better. Now, if I can just get the mom, human to be able to work on this, but with her having a problem pregnancy, and a 2 yr old, it is taking major time. Thanks again everyone! Much appreciated.... Linda Jones Tara GSD's Ridgecrest CA ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================