Over the years I have repeatedly begged the list to worm puppies starting at two weeks old, and over the years many on the list have responded that their puppies are not born with worms. Recently a lister wormed her puppies upon my advice, (even tho the pups had been on heartworm preventative, which was supposed to also prevent roundworms) and was sickened by the amount of roundworms that came out of her 4 week old puppies. Roundworms start migrating in the puppy at about 3-4 weeks old, (I forgot the exact age), migrating to the eyes, the lungs, etc, possibly causing blindness and pneumonia. It is a simple matter to worm the pups regardless of the heartworm meds being given. Strongid-T (nemex, pyrantel pamoate) are the same wormers, different in strengths. Puppies and dogs love it, and it is not toxic. No reason not to do it. Syd In a message dated 2/20/2006 6:44:26 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, uwish@xxxxxxxxxx writes: I have been asked to write this letter to the list by a veterinarian breeder friend of mine. This veterinarian will follow up with information at a later time as right now he can't due to legal proceedings. He asked me to relate some information to as many pet lovers as I can to perhaps, save other owners of dogs the near tragic death of one of this country's top champions. The above bitch had a litter of puppies 4 weeks ago. About 2 weeks ago the owner realized something wasn't right with her animal. She just wasn't acting herself. She knew something was wrong. Her appetite remained fine and her stools were normal, but still something wasn't right. She took her to the vets and she was running a low grade fever. They did blood work, and put her on antibiotics. She never got better. They did an ultra-sound. Nothing. A few different antibiotics were introduced to her, again without any change. The owner removed the mother from her new litter and was raising them by hand, because she was worried that the teeth of the puppies could turn yellow and be ruined when they came in because of the mother being on antibiotics, plus she didn't want to tax the mother any further. The mother's temperature went up to 104 degrees. This vet palpated her abdomen and found a large tumor. He performed an emergency surgery and found that her spleen was very enlarged. He had to remove it. She came home and continued the antibiotics. Still no improvement. Her owners became frantic and were in touch with the leading vets in the country including Cornell. No one could find out any reason for this bitches illness. Then one of the many days that she was at one of the vets hospitals, a vet technician noticed her stool a little loose and did a stool check on her. The results came back shocking. She was infested with roundworms. She had e-coli in her uterus caused by the round worms. She was immediately wormed. Her temperature is now at 103 degrees. The prognosis for the bitch is good, but she may still have to have a uterine flush because there is a small amount of liquid in the uterus. Now this breeder has had her dogs on Heartgard Plus for years. She buys it by the case for $700!!!! Heartgard Plus is suppose to protect our dogs from among other things, roundworms. She naturally went and had the rest of her dogs checked. They ALL had roundworms, and naturally the 4 week old puppies as well! They have already about $7,000 in medical expenses with this beautiful bitch. The vet who I'm writing this letter for is now in touch with the manufacturers of this product. Something will be done. I'm not sure what yet, but as I said once they do what they need to do, he will write his own letter with the results. He just wanted me to pass this word on about this. What is going on with the manufacturers of products.......first the Diamond Food recall and now this near tragic event with the Heartgard Plus! I don't use this product myself. I use Interceptor, but even so, when I just bred my bitch, I had her checked for worms before breeding her. I didn't want to leave anything left to chance. May I add that this person who owns this top champion bitch is not a big kennel, is a very conscientious show dog home and does very little breeding. Plus this dog is owned by a veterinarian so their animals get the best of care. This veterinarian is concerned that many other animals may have been mis-diagnosed in the past and could have died never knowing the real reason why. All this animals tests came back normal and here she was near death...........UNTIL they did the stool sample. So the reason they wanted me to write this was to get the message out there if you are using Heartgard Plus on your dog, check them out for roundworms. So I was asked to write this for them and so I did. I hope I got all my information correct as it was related to me. If I get anymore updates about this, I'll let you know or these people who experienced this hopefully will be able to write more about it after they deal with the manufacturers. Best wishes, Barbara Galasso ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. 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