It wasn't until after Ed had gone to the Vet with his guy, that I remembered another leg problem - it is called, in general PANO and is actually - sp.? PANOSTITIS or something like that. I DO know and told Ed that usually the down pasterns are due to a selenium deficiency. There is a special formula for feeding for about a month or two and very light exercising during the time. Also, I know they will also suggest wrapping the area and put some nasty tasting thingy there so the dog does not chew the wraps. I just do not remember much about the pano as I do not think I had it ever, but the down pasterns did show up in ONLY ONE DOG in my 41 years of breeding. It can't possibly be inherited since I do not ever knowing of it being from one generation to the next or more than just one pup in a litter. We are ALL DIFFERENT in what happens and the insides of these particular ones just do not seem to be able to handle what their siblings or parents do. I rescued and boarded MANY and now you mention it, I do not ever know of such leg problems in other breeds, tho there may be, in fact some stuff worse too. Oh, in your inquiry, I must say --- being a BITCH myself, not all bad things come from them, a lot is from the STUD --- unless the bitch you are talking about here was bred to the same male 3 times, she isn't the real culprit, in my humble opinion. I think environment and the individual's reaction to things really should COUNT! Yes yes yes --- Da List IS Da Best! Norma no L ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <Foxhavengsd@xxxxxxx>; <magic4sure@xxxxxxxxx> Cc: "'list'" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:53 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Health questions/ this List I don't have time for facebook or other Lists...so I have a question for THIS List while the volume is low. <G> Pasterns. Ed Hill posted about a pup he had with one bad pastern. For the first time in many many years we have a pup with ONE pastern a tad lower than the other..similar to Ed's pup I guess. Ed...you never said what Dietary changes the Vets at UCD advised you to use....and why. Hope you are willing to share? But I am wondering about this strange thing that some GSD pups go through with pasterns. Does this happen to OTHER BREEDS? Is this a GSD problem only because of angulated pasterns? IS it dietary in the opinion of breeders...as UCD suggested to Ed when the tests showed nothing else? IS it genetic? WHY in a litter of normal pasterns does one go down..especially from a bitch that never produced them before in 3 other litters. This List is usually GREAT about sharing about health issues. Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.marhaven.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================