[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Health questions/ this List
- From: angela scott <adonispersian@xxxxxxx>
- To: "DOGSRLUV@xxxxxxx" <DOGSRLUV@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 16:00:28 -0600
What is the doses for vitamin E and selenium? Since these 2 are not water
soluble its kinda important to keep within a safe range. Thank you! Angela
Angela Scott
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Sent: 11/9/2013 9:58 AM
To: marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx
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Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Health questions/ this List
I think I would look at the length of Pastern. In My experience, the ones
that get soft are often ones with Longer pasterns, not necessarily bigger
boned. And or looser ligamented than others?
Hard to say but all but 1 of mine that had gone soft, (in two cases flat)
came back up fine with Science Diet old dog, Vit, C, E, & Seliniam(SP?) And
I only do that long enough to get pasterns up.
The two I had that went completely flat (one of which never had good
pasterns) were out of the same bitch but different sires.
Deb
In a message dated 11/9/2013 7:50:51 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Yeah, I don't blame the vaccine either. Just wondering more about the
experience of others. It's an odd problem we all would like to never
have. This is new to me. Had it once before years ago...but it DID
come down through that bloodline...and those come back up quickly.
Before Vets started backing off on vaccines...we always gave the 3rd
shot right on time also and never really saw it affect pasterns.
But this was so 'dramatic'..in two days. Also, I know it seems to me
the Ft. Dodge vaccine has changed.....at least the packaging has.
In general...our pups are raised in the yard...a big open area with
lots of grass, gravel and of course some sidewalks. They are confined
at night on hard dirt with pine shavings....or crated.
They play too hard to get fat..and we do feed a low protein dog food.
In general...we don't see the problem. It's just odd to me to suddenly
get 'hit' with this on one puppy...and he is not a big heavy bone big
puppy....and no...he does not circle around in the pen in the same
direction...he is loose in the yard most of the time.
It's not horrific....just a little difference.....but it's there.
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.marhaven.com
From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx [mailto:Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx]
Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Health questions/ this List
I wouldn't blame the vaccine. I vaccinate at 6-8-10-12 and 1 vaccine after
16 weeks. Yeah I know that sounds like a lot, we have rescues locally
bringing in dogs from all over and counties that haven't ever had a problem
w/ parvo and/or distemper now are having horrible problems. Coupled w/ the
"less is more" mentality and knowing breeders who have lost puppies to
parvo
after sending them home w/ only 1 shot and before the next was due....well,
I'm not smart enough to know when maternal immunity actually ends for each
and every puppy so I'm not taking a chance.
So re downed pasterns, you see it sometimes in certain lines and I keep
puppies lean and off puppy food quickly. Especially the heavily boned
puppies. And boy...if I see a hint, I reduce protein. (Add grain, cook up
some rice or barley).
Sand can strengthen ligamentation and may help w/ pasterns. Maybe worth
making one of the kennel runs sand? But, depends on age too. I don't know
what the age cut off for being able to improve is...
Could also be the length of the pastern...
Funny story, not "funny" but...at a show a while back sitting next to a
judge, he catches my eye and points to his left wrist. I look at my watch
and tell him the time. Happens again. I again tell him the time.
No...that's not what he meant, I was supposed to notice so and so's
pasterns.
Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions
visit http://www.pinehillgsds.com/
In a message dated 11/9/2013 1:50:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
This is not Pano.
I don't blame the bitch...and I can't say I blame the stud...but I do
wonder about things when something just POPS UP. <G>
Normally we wait an extra month before we give the third vaccine to
our pups. But we gave them their vaccine 'on time'..a few days after
12 weeks. Something we normally don't do...but were taking them to a
Match. The pasterns were DOWN in two days!
This pup has pretty much corrected except one pastern is still softer
or still a tad more down.
It is odd to me....and I wonder about other Breeds.
Some breeds have terrible pasterns anyway...i.e., Bassetts, Doxies,
Bull Dogs...so I just wonder if other breeds actually do develop
'down' pasterns like some of our Shepherds do. And why "some" and
not others....?
Someone mentioned their Vet is seeing it now even in horses. Horses
also have angulated pasterns compared to say....a Terrier.
Our Vet years ago said it was too high powered dog food with lots of
"nutritional" stuff added for growth...because of marketing they all
brag about all their "extra" ingredients. <G>
SO...we've always been careful about pups not getting too fat...and a
diet not too high in fat or protein...etc. Now this pup....
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.marhaven.com
On Behalf Of Norma Ramey
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Health questions/ this List
It wasn't until after Ed had gone to the Vet with his guy, that I
remembered
another leg problem - it is called, in general PANO and is actually - sp.?
PANOSTITIS
or something like that. I DO know and told Ed that usually the down
pasterns are due to a selenium deficiency. There is a special formula for
feeding for about a
month or two and very light exercising during the time. Also, I know they
will also suggest wrapping the area and put some nasty tasting thingy
there
so the dog
does not chew the wraps. I just do not remember much about the pano as I
do
not think I had it ever, but the down pasterns did show up in ONLY ONE DOG
in my 41 years of breeding. It can't possibly be inherited since I do
not
ever knowing of it being from one generation to the next or more than just
one pup in alitter. We are ALL DIFFERENT in what happens and the insides
of
these
particular ones just do not seem to be able to handle what their siblings
or
parents do.
I rescued and boarded MANY and now you mention it, I do not ever know of
such leg problems in other breeds, tho there may be, in fact some stuff
worse too.Oh, in your inquiry, I must say --- being a BITCH myself, not all
bad things
come from them, a lot is from the STUD --- unless the bitch you are
talking
about herewas bred to the same male 3 times, she isn't the real culprit, in
my humble
opinion. I think environment and the individual's reaction to things
really
should COUNT!
Yes yes yes --- Da List IS Da Best! Norma no L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Cc: "'list'" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:53 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Health questions/ this List
I don't have time for facebook or other Lists...so I have
a question for THIS List while the volume is low. <G>
Pasterns.
Ed Hill posted about a pup he had with one bad pastern.
For the first time in many many years we have a pup with ONE
pastern a tad lower than the other..similar to Ed's pup I guess.
Ed...you never said what Dietary changes the Vets at UCD
advised you to use....and why. Hope you are willing to share?
But I am wondering about this strange thing that some GSD pups
go through with pasterns. Does this happen to OTHER BREEDS?
Is this a GSD problem only because of angulated pasterns?
IS it dietary in the opinion of breeders...as UCD suggested to
Ed when the tests showed nothing else?
IS it genetic?
WHY in a litter of normal pasterns does one go down..especially
from a bitch that never produced them before in 3 other litters.
This List is usually GREAT about sharing about health issues.
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.marhaven.com
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