[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Heads Up - misunderstanding
- From: "Helen Franklin" <helen@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "Carolyn" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 17:26:50 -0800
..again, Carolyn says it just right! But what can you expect from the breeder
of two
Grand Victors and a Grand Victrix, all within a short period of time.
Bravo, Carolyn
Helen Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Carolyn
To: grnram415@xxxxxxx ; helen@xxxxxxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: Heads Up - misunderstanding
This thread was actually not a complaint about "crooked judges and
exhibitors".....
but about exhibitors showing a dog under a Judge that happens to own or co
own
the stud that sired the dog It is not against AKC rules.......but many
seem to think
it is not right and should not be done???
I wonder how a Judge would know......unless they were closely involved in the
dog's career
or the dog was heavily advertised.......and most Judges know a lot of dogs
anyway that are
not sired by their stud, nor bred by them, nor in their own area.....but
they of course may
have bred to the dog, or it's sire, or know the owner, the breeder, the
handler, etc. So
how do we Legislate honesty .........if is such a worry as to who a Judge
will put up????
As Exhibitors who drive for many miles, make arrangements for dogs at home,
spends
the money for the handler, the gas, the Motel and the trip, the time
etc......we need to pay
attention to the judging as we watch.......and decide who we will enter
under next time
and who we will not. IMO
It shouldn't always be about whether we won or not either....<G>.....we all
have bad days,
our dogs have bad days and sometimes........we just don't have the best dog
there!
It is also our own responsibility to KNOW how our dog measures up to the
Standard and
the competition..........THEN worry about the judge.......<G>
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.Marhaven.com
----- Original Message -----
From: grnram415@xxxxxxx To: helen@xxxxxxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc:
marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Heads Up - misunderstanding
I know people complain about crooked judges and exhibitors.? I am not naive
enough to think that does not happen.? It does and I have the sour grapes to
prove it.? On the other hand, I have also shown under some awesome judges.?
Judges who know what they like and are consistent in their judging.? Even if I
don't have the dog they like, I will know better what to show to him/her the
next time as they have shown they are consistent.? And, when I do have a dog
they like and silly me gets in the ring with him/her, they don't look at me,
they look at my dog.? As for the futurity system, I have again had the same
experience.??There are judges I would show under and some I won't based on what
I feel they like and their ring procedure.? Young dogs are silly and
unpredictable.? Some judges handle them well and others don't.? My concern at
that stage is that my dog gets a good experience in the show ring.? I have
become more selective in my showing as I don't have the money to waste in
entering every single local show, specialty or AB.??My feeling is this,
do your homework.? Know your judges, know what they like and know how they
operate.? Doesn't take a brain surgeon to see the political judges who?only put
up certain handlers or dogs owned by certain owners.? If you think they
don't?know the?dogs or owners or handlers, you are fooling yourself.??There are
some great Judges out there.? Let's give them our entries and let the?political
ones?get by with their paltry entries.? Who are these great Judges?? Well, do
your homework.? Watch the judging and who they put up.??If the style/quality of
the dog is consistent, regardless of who is on that dog, then you are looking
at a judge that knows what they like.? If the Judge puts up every dog from a
certain handler, regardless of the?quality of the animal, well that judge is
not in my book.
I don't know?how this subject line?came to this but it is good food for
thought.
Laura Thomas?????????
-----Original Message-----
From: Helen Franklin <helen@xxxxxxxxxxx> I just love what Carolyn wrote:
"...and hope and pray the Judge has "good eyes" and an "honest heart."
and a
"strong will." Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
My interpretation:
"good eyes" skilled enough to recognize the quality of the dogs exhibited
"honest heart" ability to award recognition solely on what's best for the
breed
"strong will" not lead or influenced by anything other than ones own
beliefs.
(It is easy to be a follower and and do what's popular in the show ring,
but more difficult to state not what 's been, but what you think should
be.)
Helen Franklin
Put an A O E in the PED-I-GREE
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