Oops sorry my PC sent the email before I asked it to...lol Gary, As usual your "soapbox" is right on the money. Lack of secondary sex characteristics is glaring. Males that look like bitches, bitches that resemble dogs . (maybe great for a brood bitch, but still you don't want them masculine) Lack of correct movement. Rumbling over the loin and croup, because the too steep croups with the faulty rears have to transmit all that "movement" somewhere. Yep, lot of movement there...all in the wrong places. Watch the Nationals tapes along that white wall and ask why is there so much movement along the back, loin and croup? It is not supposed to do that. Gary, people are ALREADY ASKING "Where's the Movement?" Some are plush and pretty and look great at ONE speed. FAST. The real movers were evident under Helen Gleason, because the ones that look good only going fast...fell apart. We were at a specialty over the summer and out here, it is not even can't move, but plushy pretty....the dogs we saw were ugly, poorly constructed, faulty in the rears, and couldn't move, with poor secondary sex characteristics. At one point we had to laugh , because it was almost funny. Now we (collectively speaking) have not only lost movement and correct structure and pigment, now they are ugly too? Unreal. The plushy pretty ones that go flying around the ring, are not really fooling anyone. Nor are the dyed ones that we saw, and many got the gate at the Nationals. They are only fooling themselves. THIS IS A MOVING BREED....we have lost that in many instances, pervasively in some areas and in some lines. We are now seeing quick steppers, strung up, or hauling butt around a ring, because with the short croups , long hocks and poor backs they come apart when gaited in a controlled manner. We are seeing the "flavor of the day" breedings give the fancy a lot of nothing. We are seeing dogs linebred on animals that several years ago NONE of us would have owned. Dogs that couldn't move, that were faulty in conformation, pigment and ratios. It is amazing that people have forgotten that. Or choose not to remember where many of these faults have come from...conveniently. At this point a large majority of our breed is being out -gaited by Pointers, Poodles and Terriers. Congratulations...what a proud day. Ick. http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com Updated: Oct 20, 2008 ~ HOME OF:: CH. Elvaston's Nations Cup TC, 26 BOBs CH. Victory's Leviathan CH. Garter's E-Male of Fran-Jo Anne Isle WE SUPPORT DRUG AND DYE TESTING ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================