If a newbie is trying to make the decision, then they should be working with a experienced,accomplished breeder who can help them learn the things they need to know. -Kay Reamensnyder and Betty Doerpinghaus -Home of Bedkar German Shepherds Do you know any you can recommend on my side of town? That is not always possible, practical or probable. I've been blown off more times than I've been helped. This is the breed that all arounders warn newbies against. Most things I learn about dogs, pedigrees and offspring are from off hand comments. I have faith in God, everyone else is suspect. Denise W. http://sabianshepherds.tripod.com for show and performance *join my site ring* ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================