[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: HUNTER'S MONDAY
- From: NHANSBURG@xxxxxxxxxx
- To: inflight2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:01:46 -0500
three cheers for kathleen....i went to a dog show here six months ago
and that week i went out and bought a starters pistol. if you want your
kids to be wishy washy cry babies who are big fat couch potatoes thats
fine with me but when you start turning this breed into an
overprotected namby pamby sissy then you have got me on the warpath.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kathaleen Strong <inflight2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 4:23 pm
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] HUNTER'S MONDAY
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> Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: HUNTER'S MONDAY
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>
>
> The longer I am in dogs and especially handle, the less patience I
> have for
> bad temperment. I have no use for it. However, that being said I
> can tell
> you that I do not necessarily equate being sound sensi
tive to
> having bad
> temperment or being a "spook".
>
>
>
> Here are two examples why:
>
> First - I showed a dog at a previous national that I have shown a
> lot and
> been around a lot. He has great temperment, loves kids, toys,
> people, even
> judges (VBG)....but a previous National was sound sensitive in the
> big arena
> with all the announcements on the microphone etc. Not to the point
> where he
> was on the ground hovering, wanting to die. But definitely very
> affected by
> the sound and wouldn't stand or stay still for nothing. Before
> that day, if
> I were an outsider seeing him act like that I probably would have
> thought he
> was a trained spook or something. But I can tell you that in any
> othersetting the dog is 100% normal with good temperment. Just a
> situation to
> think about when considering a gun test at the National. I do not
> think it
> is contradictory to say that there are some very sound GSD's that
> are just
> soun
d sensitive.
>
>
>
> Second - I own a dog that also has exceptional temperment. When I
> take him
> anywhere (parks, dog shows, pet expos, vacation, whatever) he is a
> trueambassador for our great breed. He is confident, playful, and
> adores any
> person in the world that will pay attention to him. In fact, I
> call him
> "needy" because he craves attention at all times to the point he
> generallystarts to annoy people after he meets them. However, a
> few years ago when
> we entered him into the GSDCA Temperment Test at a specialty he
> completelylost it when they started shooting the gun for other
> testers. Fortunately
> we were last and by then he was numb to the point he wouldn't even
> look at
> me. When it was his turn and the gun went off, he didn't do
> anything, which
> was enough to pass. But the 30 minutes before our turn you would
have
> thought he was the biggest spook in the country. It was
embarrassing.
> However, again I tell you in a
ny other situation this dog is as
> sound as
> sound can be. Many of you know who I am talking about and know
> this to be
> fact.
>
>
>
> I can see why many think having a gun test at the National is a
> good thing.
> But I feel that because of my experiences with the above dogs, that
> youwould not necessarily be weeding out bad tempermented dogs. You
> would just
> be weeding out sound sensitive dogs.
>
> JMO,
>
> Jeff Pyle
>
>
>
>
>
> Okay Jeff:
>
>
>
> From the GSD Standard: Lack of confidence under any surroundings
> is not
> typical of good character. Any of the above deficiencies of
> character which
> indicate shyness must be penalized as very serious faults, and any
dog
> exhibiting pronounced indications of these must be excused from the
> ring. .
> The ideal dog is a working animal with an incorruptible character
> combinedwith body and gait suitable for the arduous work that
> constitutes its
> primary purpose.
>
>
>
> You furthe
r bring up 2 anecdotes that indicates there maybe be an
> issue with
> sound within our breed that is not being addressed in a some manner.
> Possibly dog number one just has a sound sensitivity due to never
> being in
> that situation before - unless EVERY time the dog hears it he/she is
> uncontrollable. Dog 2 - Possibly could be the same as dog one,
> however, the
> numbness reaction tells me that there might be more to investigate.
> Regardless, if they were my dogs, I would be putting them into other
> situations where they are faced with loud noise. If they react the
> sameeach time - Might be a problem that should be thought about
> before offering
> the dog at stud (ie disclose the dog has sound sensitivity), and
> especiallybefore deciding on breeding partners. Notice I'm not
> saying that these
> animals shouldn't be bred what I'm saying is this issue needs to be
> broughtout of hiding so that people are more aware of it PRIOR to
> making breeding
> deci
sions. I think at the National is the perfect place for it -
> since a
> lot of breeding decisions are made by viewing dogs at the national
> and/or on
> the national tapes.
>
>
>
> When its all said and done, we are supposed to be caretakers of the
> breed -
> if we are, then we have to remember that these dogs are also
> supposed to
> serve a purpose outside of being kennel decorations in our back
> yard. As
> breeders, I think we need as much information. Imagine the
following:
>
>
>
> 1) Farmer Jones and King are out gathering the flock in
> because there
> is expected to be a severe storm. To make matters worse, it's
> close to
> lambing season and some of the ewes are still out in the pasture.
> FarmerJones is relying on King to help him gather up the flock to
> hopefully avoid
> loss. Unexpectedly a rogue cloud comes up sooner than expected and
> - "CRACK
> BOOM BANG" - King turns around, eyeballs rolling, looks at farmer
> Jones and
> ma
kes tracks as fast as he can for anywhere but there - running
> just as bad
> as the sheep are. Sheep scatter and he loses some ewes to damage
from
> running, some lose their lambs, regardless, Farmer Jones is stuck
> having to
> go back and get old Gus his other breed herding dog because that
> damn german
> shepherd is useless. OR
>
> 2) Farmer Jones has another gsd, Spike out working as a
> living fence
> keeping the flock on his newly harvested land to do clean up work -
> and keep
> them off his just about ripe cash crop that they love to eat.
> Rogue cloud
> comes up, CRACK BOOM BANG, Spike says. See Ya later Farmer Jones ---
> and
> heads for the hills. Flock enters the cash crop - destroys it,
> eats too
> much and half of them get sick, some die.
>
> 3) Serviceman in the field with his dog. Sends the dog out
> on a
> retrieve/message sending/track (whatever work he's doing).
> Cannon/Missile/Gun fire starts up. After wigging out the dog
goes
> numb but
> stands there totally oblivious to anyone, commands or anything -
> Servicemanneeds to retreat cause things are getting more dangerous,
> is stuck trying to
> haul the oblivious dog towards safety and he gets hit in the leg.
>
> 4) Policeman and K-9 are out doing crowd control at an
important
> football game. The PA system goes off, "Crackle crackle". Police
> dog wigs
> out - now instead of controlling the crowd, the police officer is
> trying to
> control an out of control dog who is not able to do his job.
> Police officer
> has to go off duty to take the dog out of service, and there's no
> one else
> to take up the spot where he was - and someone gets hurt.
>
> 5) A blind person and their guide dog are walking on the
> street - Out
> of the blue, car backfires - guide dog goes berserk and here is the
> sight of
> this poor blind person being pulled willie-nillie down the sidewalk
at
> break-neck speed.
>
>
>
> Of course, i
t's not too likely that some of these are going to happen,
> because yes, most dogs before being pressed into service are
> proofed and
> Tested over and over to insure that they can indeed perform the
> work. How
> many of the above imaginary dogs would make it into service -
> probably not
> many - but we are also looking at another issue. How many of the
> traditional work avenues for German Shepherds are being taken over
> by other
> breeds because there is a lack of suitable GSDs being bred to
> fulfill the
> jobs?
>
>
>
> Some will argue that if a gun test was instituted at the National -
> thatthis would mean that people would just proof their dogs and
> therefore it
> won't do any good. there is where I disagree - because, like the
> dog that
> Zoe described in the post that started this thread - no matter how
> muchproofing and training you do - a dog that is very sound
> sensitive is not
> going to be "bomb-proof". Who in their right mind is going
to spend
> thousands of $$$$ showing dogs, that "MIGHT" not be able to stand
> up to the
> pressure of a simple gun test at home, never mind one at the
> National in
> front of the fancy attending. Furthermore, even if the people do
> "proof"their dogs - everyone will know it - because IMO a non-
> reaction is not a
> normal response either (regardless of the dogs who people love to
> pose their
> anecdotes of their animals living close to firing ranges).
>
>
>
> Well that's just some thoughts. It's just dialog at this point
> becauseuntil enough people get on the band wagon, that's where it
> will stay.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Kathaleen
>
>
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Kathaleen Strong - Inflight Kennels Reg'd - Breeders of:
>
> 1995 US GV, AOE-1996 US GVx, Jubilee ROM
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
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