Hey everyone I was just trying to take a pole on what people thought about the four show weekends and it has turned into a bashing of the judges. Thank god without naming any names but it is up to the club to determine the judges. And those of you who aren't judges and complain GROW UP get your judging license and you will see that no matter what you put up you will always be a big dummy to put it lightly. You will also see things in a whole different way. Judges that really care about this breed and don't care who is on the end of the lead are the best there is. You may not like what they put up but if all judges liked the same thing than there only needs to be 3 animals at each show. And for you folks that are older than me and are still breeding and showing I tip my hat to you and beg you to keep up the great work. Without your expertize some of us would not be where we are today so I thank you for that. Also that is way our entry's are getting so small. We are loosing so many breeders. Now back to the real question of four shows in one weekend. Like I said I will tally it up tomorrow and post it on Monday but I can tell you that the MOST IMPORTANT people in this sport ( The exhibitors) ARE ALL FOR IT. Not one handler has sent me anything and all of the clubs are for it except for one and one is waiting to see the results so they can decide. I will also post the reasons. OK anyone who didn't like my post feel free to bash me now but remember I'm used to it you will never be able to top my ex wife HEHE Sorry just had to say that. Randy Hamm President GSDCO One of the homes of 7 time BIS winner CH VONHAMM BEDKAR LEATHER AND LACE (STEVIE) And BISS winner CH VONHAMM BEDKAR SHE'S ALL MINE (MINE) --- On Sat, 9/20/08, Tom Elkins <firethorntemple@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Tom Elkins <firethorntemple@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Two Days and Four Shows To: jim_barnhart@xxxxxxxxxxx, "'gsd showlist'" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 6:11 PM James -- The true problem at specialties is that there are a bunch of old goats still hanging around that really know the dogs, and they're still breeding litters. Retire already! Even though entries are smaller than they used to be, the quality is excellent. Every time I go to a show, there they are! I know that they've either escaped from the Home, or they've got something hot to show. They're not there just to catch some rays. Darn. I wish they'd all go to back to the Home, or at least get out of dogs because they're making it too hard to win at specialties. tom elkins Firethorn Temple http://www.firethorntemple.com -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of James Barnhart Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 3:25 PM To: gsd showlist Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Two Days and Four Shows Tom, In your response to my original post you state: "Your post seems to suggest that maybe clubs should find some incompetent judges that won't find the superstar(s)." (snipped). Superstars was probably a poor choice of words in terms of what I was trying to get across. I believe that clubs trying to get large entries should realize that in attempting to attract good entries year after year might want to find experienced and knowledgeable judges who do not play the "celebrity" game that IMO has corrupted our sport. Then again bringing in judges with integrity may lead some exhibitors not to show up. People disagree with me but there are too many otherwise good judges who behave this way. Saying the truth as I see it doesn't discredit our judges. There are a lot of very good judges who do not play the game the way I describe. Jim ***** Stop Aerial Wolf Killing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGPFPBmzRrQ ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. 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