Hi Ileana -- Not surprised at all. Mostly I agree with you. I show too, but try to not be attached to it, win or lose. The more you feed that ego, the more voracious it gets. Feed it less, and it starts to be in a cooler place. The whole thing becomes something of a metaphor for the practice. I wasn't judging anyone in my post, just making an observation. I have more than enough trouble struggling with my own Karma without getting into that of anyone else. tom elkins ----- Original Message ----- From: InquestGSD@xxxxxxx To: firethorntemplete@xxxxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Groups, BIS's and Footin' the Bill Tom, ego? you said that like you are surprised......ego is nothing new. In any form of competition ego is the driving force......while my dogs love to show, because we have trained them to love the sport, I dont remember they ever woke one morning and said...."Mom, we MUST show, we really NEED to"....no sir, it is ultimately our (collective us) ego that must be satisfied by so many shows and so many wins, or so many _____ Some of us love to showcase our dogs and love the sport, and we reward the dog win or lose, just reward their performance and quite frankly the day its stops being fun I will find something else to do. There are some who will never seem to be satisfied, and will show anything (good or not) to appease their insatiable egos.... But egos? There is no surprise there. Ileana In a message dated 4/30/2010 7:38:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, firethorntemplete@xxxxxxxxx writes: I also wonder about how many BOB's, Group wins, or BIS's it takes to demonstrate that a good one is a good one. In other words, at some point what IS the point? Seems to me that it is more about the depth of pockets and the insatiability of the human ego than anything else. tom elkins www.firethorntemple.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================