Sorry, I disagree. In BOB, the winner is determined to be the best example of the GSD present that day. In Group and BIS, the dog is judged by the "Breed Standard".....if the judge thinks the GSD is a fine example it can win the Group. However, if the representative to the Group is only the Best of a mediocre entry, it probably won't even get pulled in Group. If an animal can repeatedly win Groups and BIS, they must have something going for them. Kay ----- Original Message ----- From: "carolyn mckenna" <carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx> To: TISHW@xxxxxxx, Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx, "vicki roye" <vicki.roye@xxxxxxxxx>, ELG440@xxxxxxx Cc: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 7:58:47 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Greats & BIS The parade of greats is a function of the GSDCA and is limited in every way to GSDs. Group wins and BIS have absolutely no relevance to GSDs other than they had to win BOB to get there. �I am not degenerating the group and BIS wins. �They are a super achievement, just not a part of GSDs. �GCH is strictly about GSDs. Carolyn ________________________________ From: "TISHW@xxxxxxx" <TISHW@xxxxxxx> To: Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx; vicki.roye@xxxxxxxxx; ELG440@xxxxxxx Cc: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 10:03 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Greats Sam Colvin is in charge of the Parade of Greats and I just sent her a� message suggesting she add BIS at AKC all breed shows and GCH to the list of� dogs eligible to be shown in the Parade of Greats.� Might need a minimum� number of BIS wins.� She needs to present it to the Board for� approval.� There may be other changes/updates which should be made to the� requirements. Tish In a message dated 3/3/2012 10:36:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,� Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx writes: I agree� Vicki and Evan but would like to see an expansion of that.� I� think anyone that gets out there and gets a grand Ch should also� qualify� Getting another 25 plus points on a dog beyond the� finish shows a true� dedication to the sport of showing. Think I� will write the board on this one.� Encourage others to do the� same. Molly ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================