Go back and read Ed's post again, it is really a good one concerning the Loose Lead Temp EVALUATION, not to be confused with a Test. And yes, the DVD is available to any club who wants to see it, just contact Amy at AMSAF@xxxxxxx and she will send the DVD to you. The Loose Lead Temp EVALUATION is fully explained and demonstrated. What bothers me most about all the posts concerning the ring procedure by Mr. White is that he did not act in the same manner with all the dogs and that is just totally wrong. I do hope the people who witnessed this will write AKC. Lew ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the Poster and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original poster AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For technical help and administrative matters, please contact the List Administrators at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================