I think part of the problem with this discussion is that we are talking apples and oranges..............Select and GCH points. The judge can award a Select ribbon to anyone he/she deems worthy. The AKC verifies the eligibility status of said winners and distributes the GCH points as it deems fit, per their rules. Paula, 255 days and counting Home of 2012 GSDCA Dual Title EXCELLENT Award Recipient, 2 Time AKC JAM/AOE, International Champion, Canadian Champion, & American Silver Grand Champion, Asgard Harley Davidson, HT, PT, CGC, TC, HIC, OFA CHIC #64047 (Original Version), 1st male GSD Grand Champion. 2010 #1 GSD in California, Lifetime #1 GSD in Michigan, 2010 #1 GSD male in USA (AKC GCH Stats), 2011 Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show Invitee, Lifetime AKC Eukanuba Invitee. 2 Time Cruft's Invitee. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Scharo777@xxxxxxx Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:27:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: Grand ChampionPoints Only a dog who is champion when entered can received Grand Champion Points. That is why WD & WB are not eligible. Carol Moore In a message dated 1/26/2013 8:46:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, ELG440@xxxxxxx writes: In a message dated 1/26/2013 12:24:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, pcooke212@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: WD and WB are NOT eligible for Select points, despite what Evan says he was told. I only repeat what the AKC told me. If they are mistaken, don't blame me. It sure can be confusing when it comes to Grand Champion points. But, we shouldn't just give them because we can, but only when we should. And if I am not mistaken Harley has the second level and was the first male German shepherd to get a Grand Championship. What a great record he has. Evan L. Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================