I think gun testing ANY working or sporting dog should be important. We have gun tested our own dogs forever.......just for our own knowledge of where we are with what we have. Haven't had a gun shy dog for years.......but in all honesty we HAVE had a couple. One thing I can tell you and I hope everyone understands. EVERY GUN SOUND DOG IS NOT NECESSARILY A SOUND DOG!!!!! You can have a dog that is not sound in temperament........and they can be very gun sure! You can have a dog that is sound in every respect............. EXCEPT it is gun shy! Either one poses a problem. One not so serious........as long as it never ever has to deal with fireworks, thunder or gunshots in it's entire life..........<G> The other IS a problem in many respects....but could pass the gun test at a National or anywhere. Where we live we have lots of thunderstorms every winter. Some can be pretty intimidating, Living in the Country where people don't necessarily confine their dogs.....we never know what new dogs we will wake up to in our yard after a thunderstorm .......and neighbors are always calling or looking for their gun shy dogs that flew the coop during the storm. <G> I always go out and watch our dogs during fireworks and thunderstorms also, to make sure they are OK with it........but some of those great old sound doggies of all shapes and sizes and breeds that belong to all our neighbors can really LOSE IT during 4th of July and New Years Eve and a Thunderstorm. <G> As Kathaleen said.........it is something we all should at least KNOW! Just don't assume a gun sound dog is sound in every other way..........<G> Our responsibility is to KNOW! Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxx www.marhaven.com ] On Behalf OfEKOLAN1@xxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Goldbecker -- Temperament--Gun test It is interestng with all the talk of Goldbeckers This is the GS. I hunted up my 1955 edition and started to reread it. I had just started took a break to check e-mail. and was reading the posts on gun and or noise shy dogs. On pg. 22 there is a footnote saying the dog that went reserve Sieger to Klodo V Boxberg Sultan Von Blasienberg was one of the basic studs used in the Fortunate Fields experiment. It says " even though he was gunshy, a trait which he passed on to his progeny he was sound in all other respects, had a great willingness to please, trainability and type, and was invaluable in the production of basic stock to further the Fortunate Fields program in which working qualities were paramount." Many of these dogs were some of the first used as the first guide dogs for the blind. Someone else can explain what the fortunate field experiments were my one finger is sore. Fred M. ********************************************************* Hi Fred: Thanks for pointing that out. As I said in a previous post, I'm not saying people shouldn't breed these animals -- but a little knowledge would be helpful for those people who may want to incorporate this bloodline or that bloodline into their kennel. I polled the list a year or so ago on this topic -- it got shot down in flames -- so I'm tilting at windmills. Still can't quite fathom why the idea of a simple gun test is so vile to people, but such is the mysteries of life. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Kathaleen Strong - Inflight Kennels Reg'd - Breeders of: 1995 US GV, AOE-1996 US GVx, Jubilee ROM ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================