Chuck, No offense at all. You are simply pointing out a problem that you have seen. I do feel there are other circumstances that exist (more often perhaps) other than any gender related biases. How many shows do you see a judge give everything to a Handler that just finished a champion for Him or Her barely 6 mths to a year before? All legal by AKC rules ( sometimes to the day) ? I did not mean to oppose you & if Carolyn McKenna says you are OK then you are definitely OK. Gene Baker ----- Original Message ----- From: Doctrcorgi@xxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:34 PM To: shadowbrooktx@xxxxxxx Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Give me the whole dog Gene, you are probably right...in fact I know you are right...BUT I have never had a man judge say to me I feel intimadated by a female handler...may be ,pardon the expression "sucked in" by a female is what i have observed of some male judges....I have however, been told by at least two female judges that they feel intinmidated by male handlers....Thank God we have most who are not intimadated by any handlers...I watch many breeds at the shows...I see many intimadated judges..I have even intimadated some when Ann Mesdag and I were competing in the same ring...I have to admit Ann was the original intimadater.(GGG) I love her ,but she was a competetor exalence??sp. Sorry if I offended.....but if the shoe fits...then be pissed that i found you!!!!!! Chuck Kruger ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================