Gene, you are probably right...in fact I know you are right...BUT I have never had a man judge say to me I feel intimadated by a female handler...may be ,pardon the expression "sucked in" by a female is what i have observed of some male judges....I have however, been told by at least two female judges that they feel intinmidated by male handlers....Thank God we have most who are not intimadated by any handlers...I watch many breeds at the shows...I see many intimadated judges..I have even intimadated some when Ann Mesdag and I were competing in the same ring...I have to admit Ann was the original intimadater.(GGG) I love her ,but she was a competetor exalence??sp. Sorry if I offended.....but if the shoe fits...then be pissed that i found you!!!!!! Chuck Kruger ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================