I would say you need to address that question to AKC since there will no one on this list that answer that question. AKC makes their own rules and we as judges must abide by their rules. Lee Brown Too far from the womb and too close to the tomb to care about what anyone thinks of me In a message dated 8/24/2014 12:56:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sophoclesajax@xxxxxxxxx writes: Just curious . . . Could someone explain please why using a wicket would be a problem when it is in fact a fault for a GSD to be too large or small, with the standard calling for our ideal as 22-24" at the withers for bitches and 24-26" for males (and any deviation from the standard being a fault)? Why must it be an actual DQ to be allowed by AKC? Of course, experienced GSD judges may be very good at eyeballing and seeing significant deviations from standard height in an individual, and observing it in comparison within a class. So this asked more out of curiosity about AKC objections to things. . . . Coincidentally, at a recent show a favorite GSD person of mine, a judge -- but not at this particular show -- commented while observing "Some of our bitches are getting too large. We need to keep an eye on that." Another judge commented preferring really large, even oversized bitches, which would seem, to me at least, not terribly consistent with judging according to the standard. It's just one aspect of our standard, but still there, and if a GSD is wildly outside the height standard ranges . . . why wouldn't this be permitted to be assessed beyond pure eyeballing by AKC? On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Redacted sender LeBrowngsd@xxxxxxx for DMARC <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I am sure it did not go well with the AKC since a judge cannot measure or > weigh a dog unless there is a DQ in the standard for height or weight. > > Lee Brown > Too far from the womb and too close to the tomb to care about what anyone > thinks of me. > > > In a message dated 8/24/2014 6:17:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: > > Bob Williamson measured Specials at the National one year. It did not go > over well. LOL > Joan F. Fox > 17500 Haskins Rd. > Chagrin Falls, Ohio 44023 > tel: 440-759-4119 > http://www.campaignersgsds.com/ > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2014. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2014. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================