In a message dated 8/3/2006 3:02:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, theresaroyer@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: I must say that I am relatively new in conformation as well (<5 years). TheBEST checklist is already developed...it is the GSD Illustrated Standard! You can find it posted on the GSDCA website! Everything else is interpretation!! Theresa ============================================================================ Could not have said it better! The best way to learn, is to read the standard, over and over again, and then again when you think you know it all, take it out and read it again. Wow, how did I ever get so far in my career of breeding and showing of German Shepherds, without a mentor, the internet, and handlers buying dogs for me. (said tongue in cheek, so no one takes offense) I read the standard, bred for correctness, went to dog shows, watched and studied the dogs being shown, and used my catalogue to take notes. We have some great dogs in the breed right now and still have some great breeders, with some of the best handlers, I learned by watching and listening, listening to two breeders at ringside having a discussion about the dogs, and picking out the ones, they liked and the ones they didn't, each giving their own interpretations. To me this is how you learn, and I did a lot of listening, and working with my dogs, learned how to groom, by watching Lamar and Jimmy, I always had a soft hand with my lead and the dogs trained very quickly, It takes lots of work, and hands on, to acheive, that Champion, Select of GV. (Oh, I almost forgot, lots of money too.) It doesn't come easy, but when you put is all together, the win is so sweet. I wish everyone lots of good luck in their endeavors, and keep cool. Diane Home of 1985 GV.Ch.Ossipee Ceasar v Clover Acre CD OFA ROM,ROMC & Cavalier King Charles Spaniels _www.debmarsgermanshepherds.com_ (http://www.debmarsgermanshepherds.com/) www.debmarscavalierkingcharlesspaniels.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================