May I suggest, in support of the Judge's Seminar held at the GSDCA National every year, that the Seminar is not only for those whose interest is securing a judging license. The Seminar is open to all who wish to participate. It includes, not only the seminar format, but "hands on" dogs are featured as well as a "one on one" discussion with mentors. The Seminar also includes ringside mentoring as well. Details may be found in the GSDCA advance brochure for the National in St. Louis. Everyone is very friendly. As an aside, I am also certain that many learned folks, ringside at a show, would be happy to "mentor" newcomers. The only cautionary remark may be as regards a seasoned breeder/exhibitor who is exhibiting and/or grooming a dog prior to a class. They may not be willing to take the time to talk at those moments when they are about to put their dog into competition. Small tip: If a person has a dog in competition in the ring, do not try to engage them in a conversation. They are very focused on their dog: focused on "doubling" their dog, watching the handler of their dog, keeping an eye on the guy/gal in the center of the ring who is judging their dog, ringing the bell for their dog, running in front of their dog, or calling their dog............... not necessarily in that order. And, more importantly, they are likely, at this particular time, to tell you that their dog is the best dog in the ring. (Unless you hear them muttering under their breath something about "that dog is here again"). =;-) It is always best to make an approach when the exhibitor is back at his/her seat ringside. (Depending on the outcome of the class. Pay close attention to where their dog was placed in the class. It could be a "mood changer".) Generally, most folks I know are very friendly, willing to "talk dog", and will welcome the opportunity to meet a new friend. Just walk right up and introduce yourself. Jane Kerner ----- Original Message ----- From: lollark@xxxxxxx To: DPiagentin@xxxxxxx ; theresaroyer@xxxxxxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:39 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Getting the history Let me try again--I am not denigrating the importance of knowing the standard. It is the foundation. However, as an educator I realize that there are many learning styles. There is not ONE way to learn. When I teach I give reading assignments for those whose primary style is word based. I present examples to those who learn by metaphor. I use power point to illustrate the words in the text in different format. We use films and personal experience to give examples of key concepts. The overlap helps all students understand more quickly and more thoroughly. I believe this same theoretical model is true for learning the conformation of dogs as well. What works BEST for you may not be the most effective for someone else. Dr. Karen Lollar -------------- Original message from DPiagentin@xxxxxxx: -------------- > > In a message dated 8/3/2006 3:02:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, > theresaroyer@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: > I must say that I am relatively new in conformation as well (<5 years). > TheBEST checklist is already developed...it is the GSD Illustrated Standard! > You can find it posted on the GSDCA website! Everything else is > interpretation!! Theresa > ============================================================================ > > > Could not have said it better! The best way to learn, is to read the > standard, over and over again, and then again when you think you know it all, > take it out and read it again. > > Wow, how did I ever get so far in my career of breeding and showing of > German Shepherds, without a mentor, the internet, and handlers buying dogs for > me. > (said tongue in cheek, so no one takes offense) > > I read the standard, bred for correctness, went to dog shows, watched and > studied the dogs being shown, and used my catalogue to take notes. We have > some great dogs in the breed right now and still have some great breeders, with > some of the best handlers, I learned by watching and listening, listening to > two breeders at ringside having a discussion about the dogs, and picking out > the ones, they liked and the ones they didn't, each giving their own > interpretations. To me this is how you learn, and I did a lot of listening, > and > working with my dogs, learned how to groom, by watching Lamar and Jimmy, I > always had a soft hand with my lead and the dogs trained very quickly, It > takes > lots of work, and hands on, to acheive, that Champion, Select of GV. (Oh, I > almost forgot, lots of money too.) It doesn't come easy, but when you put is > all together, the win is so sweet. > > I wish everyone lots of good luck in their endeavors, and keep cool. > > Diane > > Home of 1985 GV.Ch.Ossipee Ceasar v Clover Acre CD OFA ROM,ROMC & > Cavalier King Charles Spaniels > _www.debmarsgermanshepherds.com_ (http://www.debmarsgermanshepherds.com/) > www.debmarscavalierkingcharlesspaniels.com > > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original > author and of GSD Communication, Inc. 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