The loose lead temperament test is becoming universal, I have seen it in other breeds too. But giving points to lame dogs and dogs that should never win more than 3rd drives me nuts. All breed judges that don't read the Standard before judging breeds they never worked with drives me nuts. I know of a judge who started with Collies. This judge puts up the best Collie in every breed judged. Can you imaging an ass high GSD getting points? I can't stand judges who put up the same handlers show after shows either. ArDeJay@xxxxxxx wrote: In a message dated 11/20/2005 10:01:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, NHANSBURG@xxxxxxxxxx writes: 3. I have some questions to ask the list. Which of these things bothers you the most about judges? a.Judges not checking temperament on a loose leash. b.Judges failing to excuse limping dogs.Or go as far as giving them the points. c.Judges giving points to obvious pet dogs who will never get a second one. d.Judges who only put up certain professional handlers or breeders. e.Judges who take forever to make obvious decisions. How can anyone make a choice from these answers !!!! My answer-All of the above !!!! Donna Jacot,ArDeJay ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ Sheila of Miami Mernydex GSD's Loving Obedience Dog Training --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================