I got a bitch a few years back and she produced them in every litter. She was an outcross. She was sired by Ch Hoheneichen Flint, out of an Andretti daughter. I have never had any before or after. When I mentioned this to the person, who had bred her, I was told she was born with them also. Ann www.geocities.com/edangsd Iza Kabuska <iza10@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Who might this very well-known breeder be ?? I've done lots of heavy = line-breeding, in-breeding, etc., and have never had one (including = "Conan" grandchildren. Iza Kabuska http://www.karizmashepherds.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 5:18 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: [Germanshepherds4Show] ? re dew claws >=20 >=20 > In a message dated 1/24/2005 5:15:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, =20 > khylar_creek@xxxxxxxx writes: > I don't buy the "inbred dogs have them". It's a recessive gene. My = last =20 > litter of 11 - 5 had them. And that litter was just about the = farthest you=20 > can get from inbred. :-) I knew dad carried a gene for it, but I = didn't know=20 > about momma as there wasn't any in any litter I had seen out of her = dam or=20 > her grandam. I can place it back to her paternal grandsire (a Conan = Survival=20 > son) as I have seen other kids and grandkids out of him that had = them, but=20 > were different bloodlines. >=20 > Sarah > khylar_creek@xxxxxxxx > Patty Stone wrote: > I was recently told that dogs who have been "inbred" are more prone = to have=20 > them. Does everyone else agree with this? This information comes from = a very=20 > well known GSD breeder in Central Florida. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Are we talking about rear dewclaws? Inbreeding has nothing to do = with=20 > having rear dewclaws. Some lines have them and some don't. 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