[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: [Germanshepherds4Show] Re: Re: rawfeeding ..... Carnivore feed suppliers list
- From: Cinosam GSD <cinosamgsd@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: GrnRam415@xxxxxxx, shadowland22000@xxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, germanshepherds4show@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, amergsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 05:19:18 -0700 (PDT)
I do not feed raw and am as intersted as the next person in hearing about what
works best for those that do. My comments were strictly related to your post
about it being a pet peeve of yours when people refer to dogs that are
canivores when in fact they are omnivores.
I did not make ANY argument anywhere about what people should feed their dog
and I did not post to the germanshepherd4show list at all so I'm not sure why
it's being posted cross posted here.
I bring up the wolf argument ONLY because you said that wolves are ominvores
as well. Going to the source (the wolf experts) seems like a good idea if you
want to find the truth of things, though I realize the truth can be a scary
thing if everything a person believes is based on falsehoods.
Cindy
GrnRam415@xxxxxxx wrote:
Cindy,
May you and your wolves live in peace. If they thrive on a meat only diet,
so be it. It works for you. I happen to have domesticated dogs who rely on me
to give them the proper diet. I choose raw meats, bones, organ meats, veggies
and fruits. And, that works for me and many others. And, some choose kibble,
which works for them. We can all argue for days about our beliefs. But,
ultimately, it's still what works best for you and your dogs. People asked
questions and for suggestions. So, what exactly do you feed?
Laura Thomas
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Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: rawfeeding ..... Carnivore feed suppliers list
DAMN'IT A DOG IS A CARNIVORE Family Canidae - Dogs, Wolves and Foxes
Canids include all dogs, wolves, coyotes, foxes, dingoes and jackals. Canids
all have elongated muzzles, long legs and bushy tails. Their long nose
provides them with excellent olfactory senses necessary for scenting prey and
"reading" scent posts of other animals. The presence of molars behind the
scissor-like carnassial teeth allows the canids a more varied diet than the
feline family (which, in the absence of the molars, must rely solely on
carnivory). Members of the canid family have four toes on both front and rear
feet. Canids are the most cursorial (adapted for running) of the
carnivores. While foxes can stalk their prey, most canids rely on chasing
down their prey. In addition to their long legs, they have evolved a long
muzzle with convoluted spiral bones which enables the long distance runner to
conserve moisture and warm or cool the air before it reaches
the lungs. Such adaptations enabled the early canids to dominate the open
grasslands, where they reached their zenith 20 million years ago with some 42
different genera. The larger wolves are known to hunt in packs of up to 30
members, enabling them to obtain prey much larger than themselves. The
smaller canids normally hunt in smaller groups or occasionally in pairs
(coyotes), or as solitary predators (foxes). They frequent home ranges that
may include actively defended territories, and have evolved complex and
varied social systems. Canids are generally active year-round with females
giving birth only once a year. Males are generally larger than females in a
given population. Young are born altricial, requiring considerable maternal
care. The red wolf (Canis rufus) is presumably no longer found in the
wild. The last remaining red wolves were captured in eastern Texas in the
1970â??s. Red wolves had been reintroduced in the
Great Smokies National Park in 1991, but for various reasons, were removed
in 1998. It has been successfully reintroduced, however, into the Alligator
River National Wildlife Refuge, NC, in 1987, and three other southern coastal
islands. (These three islands serve as breeding areas, since they are too
small to sustain a permanent population.) As of 1997, there were about 50
red wolves at Alligator River, 30 at other sites, and 160 in captive-breeding
facilities. Since the red wolf is no longer a member of the Appalachian
region fauna, it will not be included as a listed species. However,
information on the red wolf and the reintroduction efforts can be found at
RED WOLF. Recent DNA studies suggest that the red wolf is actually a hybrid
between the gray wolf and coyote and, thus, arguably should not be
recognized as a separate species. However, that view has been questioned
based on other interpretation of genetic data that suggest the
red wolf is a primitive animal that has been present in the Southeast US
since the mid-Pleistocene. The gray wolf (Canis lupus) has also been
extirpated from its former range in the eastern United States, and thus will
not be included. Limited information on this species can be found at GRAY
WOLF. The earliest domesticated dogs (Canis familiaris) date back to
Idaho and Iraq, some 11,000 and 12,000 years ago, respectively. It is
currently believed that the origin of the domestic dog is derived from one of
the small south Eurasian subspecies of gray wolf (C. lupus) and subsequently
spread throughout the world in association with people. Today, there are
approximately 400 breeds of domestic dog, from the smallest chihuahua to the
Irish wolfhound. The Australian dingo (C. f. dingo), is itself a feral
subspecies of the domestic dog. In fact, it is possible that some of these
dingos were brought across the Bering Strait to North America
some 3,000 - 4,000 years ago and persist today in the form of the Carolina
hunting dog. There are an estimated 50 million owned dogs in the US, and
many more lack owners. In 1975, there were an estimated 80,000 - 100,000
dogs in Baltimore, MD, of which up to half were free-ranging, implicated in
the spread of several diseases, and benefiting rats by overturning garbage
cans. There are 1 to 3 million reported attacks annually in the US, with 18
people killed by dogs in 1990 (8 by pit bulls). This family is known from
fossils going back to the late Eocene Epoch in North America and Europe, some
38 million years ago. More information on the evolution of canids can be
found at Velvet Claw. Within the Canid family, there are 16 genera and 36
species worldwide (Nowak), with four genera with nine species known from
North America (Jones). The canids are represented in this Appalachian
Region by the coyote, the red and the gray fox, and the
feral domesticated dog (not given a species account). Cinosam GSD
<cinosamgsd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: What are you basing your info on? Vegetarians
like to say dogs are omnivores, which is why they feed their dogs only
vegetarian based dogs foods, but since a dog is a direct descendant of a wolf
and wolves are indeed carnivores not sure how that is possible. Bears are
omnivores because they are just as happy eating berries as eating meat and if
you've ever baited a bear you know that it is not meat but sweets that they are
attracted to. Dogs can eat fuits and vegetables, but they thrive on
meat/fat (protein) and you will never have to protect your garden from a
bunch of meandering wolves. Carnivores- Carnivores are animals belonging
to the Order Carnivora. The Order Carnivora contains 7 families and about 250
species. This group of animals includes dogs and their relatives, bears,
racoons, mustelids, civits, hyenas, aardwolf, and cats.
Cindy cinosamgsd.com grnram415@xxxxxxx wrote: Ok, that just hit on my
pet peeve. Dogs are NOT CARNIVORES!!!!!!!!!! They are omnivores, just like
humans. There are very few true carnivores in the animal world. These include
cats, mink, hyenas and a few weird rodent things we don't have in North
America. As Paul stated, in the wild, a dog/wolf, whatever, will go for the
gut of an animal first. This is for the grasses the herbivore has ingested.
Then they will go for the meaty parts and small bones. This is why we add
veggies and fruits to the animals diet. To make it balanced. A meat diet
alone for a dog is not a balanced diet, therefore, they are not carnivores.
Feeding raw is no different that feeding your family a balanced meal.
JMHO Laura Thomas -----Original Message----- From:
ssthunderpony@xxxxxxxxx To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, 3 Apr 2007
9:26 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: rawfeeding ..... Carnivore feed suppliers
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http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/CarnivoreFeed-Supplier/ Carnivore feed
suppliers provides a list of what they have to offer people who feed their
carnivores a natural raw diet. Pet owners list their needs. This is a fully
moderated list. This is not a list designed to discuss raw diets. For more
generalised information about the raw diet, please go to the general raw
feeding email list. Disclaimer: All messages posted to this list are
solely the responsibility of the individuals who post them. This list does
not provide warranty of any kind on products offered by suppliers.
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http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/?yguid=140553699
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