I am one who also thinks that if we combine the German to American we could better the underjaw of our dogs..In other words stronger heads..Better feet and pick up the red color..I would only use an import with a straight back and maybe more neck..I always combined the American with the German that is when the German dogs were elegant they looked like our dogs...We certainly can use stronger temperment ..Are our dogs better today ???Maybe less angulation ,,I see less faults but not too many exciting dogs that ask for it ..Those who stand out ???As I myself sell mostly to pet people I want sound with moderate angulation..I already have the red pigment I usually will only breed to a male who is black and red..But where do you find it today..I mean their natural color..Barbara Amidon http://www.geocities.com/amberkennel ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================