Sounds like a plan to me! I've had both German lines and American for over 30 years. Seen the good and bad on each side. Fingers crossed for the best of both worlds! Renee Lustig --- On Sat, 1/16/10, Zoa Rockenstein <zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Zoa Rockenstein <zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: German V American No No To: shadowland22000@xxxxxxxxx Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 2:02 AM Actually, I am one of those over 60 folks who remembers when the German show lines were in the 4th generation of my pedigrees! I'm going back to the well, but I am going with the American Standard in mind. Zoa Dr. Zoa Rockenstein www.riverrockshepherds.com ________________________________ From: MORGAN LEWIS <shadowland22000@xxxxxxxxx> To: zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 6:50:00 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: German V American No No Zoa does that make you one of those under 40 folks, he,he. It about the BREED, not about the people who think they can play God. We now know that the information furnished in the 50's was wrong when the GSDCA changed the STANDARD. Since we now know more we should correct the error. These are NOT Pandas, they were there in the foundation and no matter what anyone says they will always be part of the breed. Morgan and His Angels Precious, OFA Princess, CGC, TDI, GSDCA Health Award "RAW" fed, No Vaccinations --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Zoa Rockenstein <zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Zoa Rockenstein <zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: German V American No No To: fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx, grnram415@xxxxxxx, edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 4:23 PM No dare needed! I am doing it next week! A friend of mine bred her BIS Select bitch to a German dog a week ago. It won't be long before this "debate" is passe. The gene pool needs to be opened up on both sides for the health and general well being of the breed. There is much private talk on the List right now among those of us who are ready to walk the talk! Zoa Dr. Zoa Rockenstein www.riverrockshepherds.com ________________________________ From: Terry Cochran <fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx> To: grnram415@xxxxxxx; edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 3:07:31 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: German V American No No Since you guys brought it up. I double dog dare you to try to breed one of your beautiful American AKC Champion females with titles at both ends and an OFA Certificate to a V rated German male :0) It might help you understand the position of the WGSD fancy. Terry ________________________________ From: "grnram415@xxxxxxx" <grnram415@xxxxxxx> To: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 1:36:36 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: German V American No No Ok, now for the German/American fight. Didn't we do that not too long ago? I think we need to wait awhile on that one. So, how about futurities or upcoming events. Seems we are due for that, LOL! Laura -----Original Message----- From: Edwin Hill <edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: freelist <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 11:55 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] German V American No No When is the illegal list topic German V. American going to start?...lol...the nnual Raw/ Kibble fight is just before the Futurity/ Maturity Fight...lol...the ick fight is over until next football season...lol...Amidon has a birthday next onth....lets fight about that...lol...FB =========================================================================== OST is Copyrighted 2009. 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