WRONG!? The Grand Victor would be selected by 5 of our?best judges, not one.? The show for selecting "our best" would be independent of the AKC show which would select a BOB & BOS like any show.? A separate show presented by the GSDCA would select the GV and selects as entered by any champions so inclined.? The "German" angle does not wash.? This is not Germany, never was, never will be.? But, the selection of what should be our top?dogs should be the selection of our top minds...not just one individual. No one is suggesting that to enter, the dog need be anything more then a Champion, as is the way it is now with the exception of WD or WB at a show.? I am proposing a separate judging for our top dogs to be done by 5 not one.... No more King/Queen for a day....no more "as I see it"? no more "gifts"...just? honest evaluations by more the ONE mind!? Perhaps the time has come......perhaps not. Helen Franklin in reply to: fom: RChesnut70502@xxxxxxx Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 18:36:53 EDT Subject: Re: Do we ask enough of our Grand Victors? In a message dated 10/3/2008 1:53:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time,? caggra@xxxxxxx writes: If the? GV titles were awarded independently of BOB & BOS, then we very well could? end up having a GV that was actually Select #10 achieve the GV title if no? others ahead of him met all the requirements.?? Right??? Jeff ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================