Jessica -- Actually this is an old topic,but what the heck.Why do I not like all-breed shows ? Because they are mostly about a majority of clueless judges judging a majority of bad GSD's in a majority of inadequate rings. tom elkins Firethorn Temple -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jessica MacMillan Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 1:38 PM To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] GSDs in the Group Ring So here's to starting a new topic. When I was a little kid tagging along to dog shows, I remember that GSDs used to win or place in the groups regularily. I remember at least two GSDs that went BIS from the classes and I remember lots of beautiful, highly campaigned specials. What has changed? Yes, we know about the select group of handlers that do go to all-breeds and have heavily campaigned dogs, but what about the general exhibitor. Very, very rarely do I see GSDs do anything in the group these days. Is it because often so many of the best dogs ONLY go to specialties, when in reality, they should be going to all-breeds too so that judges get familiar with more exceptional dogs? Do many GSD breeders not like all-breed shows (rings are too small, all-arounders don't know anything, etc)... What's the reason? Some years ago, I had a liver dal boy that I saved ONLY for specialties and he finished with three five pointers, two Best In Sweeps and a BOS over specials - all at specialties and all from BBEx. He also had a BBEx in Show and two breeds and a group II. A handler friend of mine told me that it was shame that he was only going to specialties because he was an exceptional dog and deserved to be see at all-breed shows.... So we did and that's when he got the two breeds over specials and a group II... I showed him at specialties because he was a "specialty" dog and his two faults (all-beit minor) were things that would concern all-arounders. So tell me why we don't see more GSDs winning groups... I am curious.... BTW: If you don't like all-breed shows, why not? Food for thought.Jess M.Paisley Dals (www.paisleydals.com)& The Shepherd Girls (Simmie, CGC, TDI, TC, HIC & Pepper, HIC)Member of: DCA, GSDCA & GTCDC> To: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Are you Alpha?> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:04:10 -0400> From: grnram415@xxxxxxx> > Ok, my dogs may let me think I am Alpha but they know the truth, LOL!? > The dogs that stay out during the day all come in to sleep at night.? Two of those dogs share my room.? They are the Matriarch and Patriarch of the outdoor pack.? Anyway, last night, Maggie was restless and fussy.? She has EPI and sometimes needs a middle of the night potty run.? With the pups here, the whole routine and dog rotation has changed.? So, at 2am, I'm trying to figure out how to get her outside without waking up the whole pack and starting a bark session and prevent an accident.? > > Turns out, she did not have to potty at all.? She wanted the window open.? The window is always open at night, winter or summer.? B ut, it was hot yesterday and I had the AC on.? I kept the window closed to keep the cool air in as much as possible.? This was not acceptable to Miss Maggie.? As soon as I opened the window (yes, I was feeling a bit stuffy too)? Maggie?jumped on the bed, rolled on her back, belly facing the window and promptly went?into a deep sleep, LOL!> > Maggie?got me?good, making me think it was my idea to open the window.? They are too smart for our own good, LOL!??? > > Laura Thomas> > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. 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