With that said, my question is if a white wins the High Combined then there would not be an Obedience Victor based on the obvious disqualifying fault, however if the High Combined is won by an acceptable looking GSD with an ILP / PAL, then one would need to check the catalog to confirm as to if the dog was registered with AKC, but in both cases there would not be an Obedience Victor at that National? This is only in reference to the example below. Lyn Chernak Lyn Chernak ~ CherLyn Shepherds AKC Breeder of Merit http://www.cherlynshepherds.com Three Generations ~ GSDCA 13 Club ~ Membership CherLyn's Dixie, BH, CDX, RAE, TC, HIC, CGC Ulric vom Kriegerhaus, CDX, RA, TC, HIC, CGC,OFA Excellent ________________________________ From: "TISHW@xxxxxxx" <TISHW@xxxxxxx> To: ELG440@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 7:53 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: GSDCA Ballot clarification- Aug 31, 2013 The vote on the DQ of a white shepherd is a vote to change the standard. This is not a vote to change the standard. It is a vote to change the eligibility requirements of the top performance awards the GSDCA gives out at the National. If someone has a dog that resembles a GSD but has no registration papers on it, the AKC has given them an ILP number based on the resemblance (used to be determined by a photo) so that the dog may be shown in performance activities. It is not an "AKC registered" GSD. The purpose of our GSDCA performance victor/victrix awards should be to honor our purebred GSDs, support the mission statement of the GSDCA, and support the standard of the breed. ILP dogs and dogs with disqualifying faults can still win all the other AKC performance titles offered - just not the highest one offered by the GSDCA. Tish In a message dated 9/6/2013 7:28:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ELG440@xxxxxxx writes: Who makes the decision as to an ILP? What is the basis, since we can do a DNA with a mouth swab? What is a PAL, and how is that decided? Do we need to know this stuff to vote on the DQ of a white shepherd? Or is this just to try to shade the vote? ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ÿÿ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================