[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: GSD 'walking' judges
- From: Terry Cochran <fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, culzeans1@xxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, Lacy340@xxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:18:29 -0800 (PST)
I think you are right in the 30 second all breed ring. It is pointless because
of the time constraints. In the German shows they do it to wear the dog out and
see how it gait when it is really tried.
Terry
Carolyn <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
If a judge wants a German Shepherd Dog to "WALK" they are typically going to
get a dog that
DOES pull against the leash in frustration as it wants to trot and has been
trained to trot at the end
of the leash! It is a TROTTING Breed!
It just makes a frustrated dog that wants to do what it has been trained and
asks a frustrated handler
to hold back and control a dog in a way that has nothing to do with suspension
or an extended trot?
If a Judge wants them to slow down....they should ask for that along with a
loose leash....but I have
never understood any reason to ask them to WALK unless it's to frustrate the
dog, handler & owner.
At a walk the GSD is often being held up and back so he cannot use the front
enough to get it out
of the way of the "over reach" of the rear that has been discussed....and will
PACE to compensate.
This is just a walk that is controlled by a handler......and it does not show
anything good or bad
about the dog's actual gait. In my opinion this ruins the ability to actually
judge the dog's gait
in any direction .....and IMO just makes the dog out of sync. What's the point??
They can ALL walk .......but being held up and back by a handler in the small
ring makes them very
frustrated and out of sync. Why would a judge want to see a dog choked back to
a walk with
a choke chain up under their chin like a Dobie to control them?
I'm sure this will start a small war........but it sure seems pointless to
me...........
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.Marhaven.com
----- Original Message -----
From: To: ; ;
Sent: November 27, 2007 12:56 PMSubject: Re: GSD judges
> Good description Carolyn.? Not like the all breed judges this weekend > which
> had the dogs?
WALK AND I MEAN WALK?around the ring twice and then let > them go into a trot.?
You try to
hold an 82 lb male back when he knows he > is supposed to pull out.? It was
ugly.?
Where do these judges get this > ring procedure.
>
> Original MessageFrom: Carolyn > To: culzeans1@xxxxxxx;
> showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:01 pm > Subject: [
> SHOWGSD-L ] Re: GSD judges
>
> Hi Pam;
> For Judges to put up the "best dog" period.....they absolutely MUST know >
> the> Standard!
For you to> show the best dog ......you also need to know the Standard. The
Standard > on
> the German Shepherd> Dog REQUIRES and explains the powerful thrust of the
> rear drive in good
> detail......under GAIT:
> 'General Impression'.
> i.e. "The hindquarter's deliver, through the back, a powerful forward >
> thrust> which slightly lifts the
> whole animal and drives the body forward. REACHING FAR UNDER, and > PASSING
> the> imprint
> left by the front foot"............
> "The overeach of the hindquarter usually necessitates one hind foot passing
> outside and the other
> hind foot passing inside the track of the forefeet, and such action is > not>
> faulty unless the locomotion
> is crabwise"............
> This is a direct quote from the German Shepherd Dog Standard.
Explain > how the STANDARD can be "incorrect".......??
It is after all what makes this Breed what it is.....
> Linda Shaw's articles are not the Standard. You need to spend your time
> studying the actual GSD
> Standard and not someone's incorrect illustrations or opinions. This
> powerful> driving thrust off the
> rear of the German Shepherd Dog is part of what sets it apart from all other
> Breeds.
> For those of us who Breed according to the Standard and have watched the >
> gait in> function while
the> dogs herd......it is a beautiful powerful, athletic result of the correct>
construction of an efficient trotting
> working breed......and it is beautifully described in our GSD Standard.
> I am not at all offended at your "opinion"......but just want to remind > you
> it> is only an opinion as compared
> to our actual Standard.> You are correct though in respect to saying we need
> more Judges who
> actually> read and understand> the Standard. But we also need more Breeders
> and Exhibitors with the
> same> responsibility to knowing> the Standard. I wholly appreciate your great
> love and respect for this
> amazing> Breed and feel exactly> the same way.
I just want to remind you that they can be what the > Standard> requires with
the awesome> rear drive that propels them forward with the atheletic powerful >
thrust....and> still be willing to lay their> life on the line
for you.
ALL the details of the Standard are what makes > this> Breed unique and perfect.
> Thanks for your post.......it is a good reminder to all of us to brush up >
> on our> Standard occasionally.
> Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> www.Marhaven.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: culzeans1@xxxxxxx To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday,
> November 26,> 2007 7:46 AMSubject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] judges
>
>
> We need more judges who actually read and understand the standard and PUT
> up
> the best dog,period.?The dog should be balanced, nothing over done in any
> area.
> The shepherd movement is one of grace, power and stamina. Anything over
> done
> detracts from that. To over reach is incorrect with or without crabbing.
> The
> more I learn, the more I learn, the more I learn and the more I learn....?
> I
> have been studying Kathy Shaw's articles and I am amazed at how many
> different
> "types" of shepherds there are and not suprising is the arguing over who
> has the
> "right" or "correct" dog according to the standard. If you look at what
> she
> illustrates according to the standard, most of us have a dog that fits
> into the
> standard, more or less, some much less than more. It really comes down to
> what
> we want our shepherds to do. If all you want is a dog with a great side
> gait,
> well that is what you get. Over reaching accomplishes that. I want a dog
> that
> more than anything can do everything, even go int
> o
> the water and retrieve that bird if I ask them to. And to accomplish
> that I
> feel I must have a dog right down the middle of the standard. Nothing over
> done,
> no over reaching, no under reaching,?no toe dragging, no hock walking, no
> cow
> hock,no roach back, no to short stiffled, no to short or to long back, no
> to
> long or to short neck,no block heads, no snipey heads,?good feet and
> pasterns,
> temperament suited to adapt to what ever I ask of them. I know many people
> have
> been in this breed way longer than I have, have a billion more champions
> than I
> do(because I have none yet), feel offended that I even have an opinion,
> but I
> put my love of this breed up against anyones and I will stand toe to toe
> with
> you because my life has been saved by this breed and I will stand for the
> best
> in them because it is no less than what this noble incorruptable breed
> would do
> for me. I love reading this list because I see here people who have
> differences
> of what our breed should look like, but w
> ho
> have a love for this breed as I do. I have been to shows and been
> treated
> poorly by GSD people and I have been to specialties and had such a
> wonderful
> time, granted they thought my dogs were not "extreme" enough but still
> people
> were pleasant and helpful. I love that the breed I love so?much has so
> many
> people looking after its best interests. Maybe we just need judges who
> feel the
> same. Pam
>
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