Carolyn I am glad you understand, I felt that the thread was getting out in "left field" which happens and I usually can deal with it but sometimes we just need to reiterate things and also clarify things for new comers to the list. I would bet that all of us did start out with that perfect "mutt".....mine was Trixie :-) As another note since you mentioned the unsalvagable within our breed, one thing that Last Hope has done and it is certainly not easy is to advise people that come to us with "oh, he only bit a couple times", didn't mean it, etc. we ADVISE what to do after we LISTEN to what actually occurred. Many times, people don't understand that the advice we give is not what they want to hear. When we hear about GSDs in pounds that are on their way to death row, either Dawn, Vicki, myself, Jodi or someone on our team will call and ask regarding temperament and/or send someone to check for us. Twice we have had a problem where the temperament was not what the ACO said it was and the GSD was pulled from the gassing facility by LHSH and sent to the Bridge humanely with someone holding its head. When we know the GSD is good to go then the networking starts for good GSD rescues to commit to the dog and we move in and pay the pull fees, s/n, shots, etc. for the rescue. WE DO NOT ASK FOR ADOPTION FEES BACK.....why???? many people will ask....because we are not here to hold on to our money or save money....we want the rescues to use that adoption fee to help them with their overhead, etc. This is one thing that makes Last Hope very unique. We pay quickly to save that dog because many of them only have 72 hours before they can be euthanized. Well, enough from me.....thank you all for listening....this is a good educational topic. There are so many ways people can help in rescue :-) Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Carolyn Martello To: Pat Lukos ; bld4@xxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Sandra Kozub Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 4:35 PM Subject: Re: GSD Rescue...... Thanks for the clarification Pat. Most of us love "mutts" and grew up with a couple with great memories of good ol' Blue <G> and I personally see nothing wrong with the term "mutt".......and in fact find it kind of endearing! But as this thread went on and on we really appreciate your clarifying this particular issue. I think all of us that have helped with rescuing GSD's have seen all kinds of things including some really bad temperament and problems that are not salvagable even within our own GSD Breed. It's always hard......... Thanks again for your post on the subject. Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Pat Lukos To: marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; bld4@xxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Sandra Kozub Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: GSD Rescue...... I must say, as Secretary of LHSH, that funds donated from this list and many others are used for the purebred GSD....I don't know what "mutt" Iza is referring to in her statement. Our books are open and monies are used for the GSD; be it veterinary services, food, etc. In the course, we do come across other breeds and that is why we work so closely with breed and all breed rescues. They can many times help us by transporting a purebred GSD to its new home along with other "mutts" that may be on the transport. By working together, we all save money and several dogs can be saved. Some of you may question if a GSD is purebred or not; we see them in all sizes, shapes and conditions and the ones we spend your money on are purebreds or they are wearing great "Halloween costumes"-LOL. As for the Camp Wolfgang tragedy; if you look at that Petfinder page, yes you may see other breeds, but probably 75% or more of the dogs at Camp Wolfgang are purebred GSDs. I wanted to clear this up. Also, our help is available immediately to a GSD in need....when we get the call, we paypal money, call in a credit card and get that dog saved into a GSD or sometimes an "all breed" rescue....but it is a GSD!! We have said it before but just need to reaffirm to you our commitment to the GSD. Pat Lukos ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. 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