That is probably true of some, and then,too, there are specialty breeder judges who haven't a clue, However those on this list such as Bill Gish,Helen Gleason,Peggy Mickleson, Michel Chaloux, Sue Godek,Barbara Amidon, Joan Fox, Cathleen Steen, Lee Brown, and I, I seriously doubt would be looking for AB style dogs. This list simply identifies judges who judge a group or more (most clubs will hire only judges who have at least one group) and originated in GSDs. The purpose of this list was to give people some names to take to their ab club's judges' selection chair and ask that they hire judges on this list. People complain about the ab judges, but I'll bet few know that the judges I named above judge many breeds at the ab shows. The ab clubs don't know about them either so it's up to us to get these names of judges who know our breed to the clubs. Most clubs don't care who they hire as long as that judge can do at least one group, but you have to give them a name. Carolyn GEschette@xxxxxxx wrote: There are several judges that are breeder judges, but most of the dogs they showed, showed only in all breed shows. Know some of these judges judge at specialty shows. So, they probably wont put up the same type of dog that a breeder judge who shows at specialty shows. Greg ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================