I have a young bitch, 3 now, and we play in the all breeds from time to time in our area, we only have one specialty show a year that I can attend (she has a specialty best opposite too). Anyhow, not having been active in the show ring for some time, I started keeping a list of judges while we were showing. Of course, any judges that gave her the breed or group were on the "plus" page, those that dumped her, but to other dogs of good quality were on the "ok" page, and those that were inconsistent or dumped any good dogs to less quality ones (pro handler or not) were on the "not again" page. My dog is handled by a very competent junior, so there was no handler recognition issue with her. One judge gave her the group, and kept her right up for Best in Show one weekend. The dog already had one BIS at that time, and it was a fair loss under that judge to a fabulous English Setter. Only months later that same judge was at another set of shows, so we entered - same dog, same handler. Not even a best opposite! LOL and the dogs that beat her were far inferior to the ones she beat when she won the breed and group at the previous show under that judge. OFF the list. just like that! The other two days of that weekend, we got two Group 1st and a Reserve BIS. Go figure! I have found lots of all breeders who can do a good job, and lots who don't. Jill Canada ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================