Paul adds... You bet...and InfoDog has their records right on line plus results from the past 2 year assignments in every breed they judge. As to the Collie breeder question...it would depend on the breeder and when I go back to their past assignments the results and the dogs they put up mean much more to moi. Good point! But, what happens when its like me. Most people associate me with terries and poodles. Usually, when I walk up to the shepherd ring, they say, Oh, thats not a poodle or Terrier, I remind them, this is where it all started for me, this is my original breed. No, I probably wont ever have a #1 dog in GSDs but I do understand the breed and its nuances. :-) Proabably about 10-15 years from now when I can justify buying new knees and not wanting to haul crates any longer, (and make a million or two dollars) I want to ask for the entire terrier group at one time. I mentioned to an AKC rep one time about this and I wanted German Shepherds.. He said, "I have never seen you show a shepherd..." ( I reminded him that was my original breed and when I had a waistline, I showed them) ====================== www.BlackHawk-Farms.com Northern California American Saddlebred Horse Association Vice President (Class of 2007) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================