For those who are interested in participating.. Please feel free to cross post this message. Please contact me at mz66@xxxxxxx, if your GSD Club is interested in participating in our research program. We have 200 dna blood cards available, at this time, which can be given out free of charge, and looked at free of charge. However, these cards must go to a group or groups, in which there will be a number of dogs participating. Please do not ask us to send them out individually, for that would not be practical. The only stipulation that goes along with these free cards is that the dna collected on these cards must be from HEALTHY dogs- ie dogs that are showing no symptoms of neurologic disease! When the grant goes through, if someone wants to test their dog, via blood card, if the dog is showing signs of DM, then a charge would be applied, as in the DM Flash test, with money for the test going to research. Right now we need to find out what percentage of healthy dogs carry the DM marker- the only way we can do that is to gather dna from dogs that are not showing neuro symptoms. Again, here is what we are trying to accomplish: The basic goal is to determine the incidence of the DRB-1 allele 11J (the change in the DM Flash test) in the GSD. We will also look at a couple other regions that we have found changes in and confirm what the DRQA and DRQB haplotypes are. It seems that looking at these other regions will help clarify the genetics of GSDM. In addition, we will ask that a questionnaire accompany the samples. IT will be simple: 1. age, 2. sex, 3. birthplace, 4. residence at 1 year of age, 5. current residence location, and 6. if (to the owner's knowledge) any related dog (parent, sibling or offspring) has been diagnosed with GSDM. We do not need to know the name of the dog or owner as long as the sample is labeled with some number that can be cross-referenced with the questionnaire. On the other hand, we will be happy to provide the results to the owner (written on the questionnaire) upon that request. The results will be reported anomalously. However, we do understand that many people would like to know the answer. It is our belief that lack of a positive DM Flash test would mean that the development of GSDM would be highly unlikely. That is, if you have a negative result, you can't get the disease. On the other hand, have a positive response (in a normal dog) does not mean you will get it, but only that there is a higher risk. That is part of what we are trying to find out. Based upon the fact that the DM Flash test represents a point mutation in allele 11 and would not have been reported by the group in the UK looking at the MHC region of the canine genome, the incidence of a positive DM Flash test cannot be higher than the incidence of allele 11 in the GSD. That is 40%. However, since we know that GSDM is present in about ¼ to 1/3 of GSD with neurologic disease (posterior paresis), then it is likely that it is at least 1% (3% of GSDs presenting to university veterinary colleges have posterior paresis). The real number is somewhere in between. Hopefully, this study will tell us for sure. While we are ready to go ahead with the blood collection, at this time, we must decide how we should proceed. Dr C is sending off a proposal for a grant for this research, in the next few days, to the AKCCHF, which already has money allocated to DM research, from our club. We are trying to decide whether to go ahead and collect the samples, so we will be ready to roll when the money becomes available, or if we should wait until the grant is approved, but then we lose months, first having to start to gather the samples. The samples can be collected now, on the blood cards, and saved- the samples will not be compromised on the blood cards, which is why they are preferred to the CBC vials... We hope to find a CVT (veterinary technician) in the area where the clubs are who can help us collect the samples and place them on the cards. Perhaps a member of a club would volunteer their time, if they are a vet tech. We will return to the owners the results if they want them. However, if the dog is ill with a neurologic disease and the analysis of the sample is to be used to make a clinical decision, then it should not be sent as part of the study, but rather as a clinical sample with appropriate charges. These samples will be processed normally and as quickly as possible. Otherwise, they would be batched with the other samples for research. That makes the most sense. We are not asking for affected dogs, we are really looking for a cross section of all GSDs. Otherwise, the sampling would be biased. Hopefully, this will sort of set the stage for what we are trying to do. What we are really trying to do is find out the incidence of a positive response to the DM Flash test in the GSD breed. However, we also want to see if the other changes that we see are also correlated with it. Of those changes, one is a 70 BP deletion in a region of the DNA which is seen in the majority of Finnish MS patients. We see it in the majority of GSDM patients, too. We also will be looking at regions of the genome that are related to MS in human beings, particularly with the various types of MS (exacerbating-remitting; secondary progressive; and primary progressive). We do find that there appears to be a change in the region that is associated with primary progressive MS which we are currently characterizing. The other 2 forms are just now being looked at. I think they will be negative, since the disease fits primary progressive MS more than the other forms. This also explains the responses to medication that we have seen, too. So, we think this is important research. Until we know the incidence of the DRB-1 change, we will not be able to know the true extent of the problem that GSDM causes. We also will not know what we can or can't do in genetic control of the disease. We also will not really understand the significance of the disease. Certainly on an individual basis GSDM is important, but we need to have breed significance to know how large the problem is. Marjorie THE GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG BREED BETTERMENT REGISTRY http://www.gsdbbr.org Heaven's Gate: GSD Database http://www.mzjf.info/hgate The German Shepherd DM Pedigree Board : http://www.mzjf.info/Forums/index.php The Degenerative Myelopathy Support Group:http://mzjf.com Judy Laramie German Shepherds Are We Having Fun Yet! ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. 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