Thank you Morton, I sincerely appreciate that. I hold your expertise in the highest regard. Yes, standing is a good indicator of gait. Again, (and my personal peeves of many) are lack of upper arm and correct layback of shoulder....too long hocks, often accompanied by a short or too steep croup. I can overlook to a point a longer back and some, *some* long loin, in the presence of long upper arm, and long, stifle, short hocks. Sometimes a little length of back is necessary if the dog is a bit overdone in the rear. When I say overdone, I don't mean an "eggbeater" or instep dragger...I mean just a bit too much stifle/ femur, but otherwise short-hocked and clean. When a dog is "bunchy" standing, short on leg, upper arm, neck, croup, you can bet he/she will gait similarly. We are seeing a LOT of this, rather than the long upper arms into layback and sweeping , elastic extension at both ends...we are seeing choppy, and dogs that look as though the head is on the wrong end. We are as a sidenote , (since you mentioned standing) seeing a lot of COARSENESS, in the guise of masculinity. The Standard addresses this. We are seeing malamute- type heads where the plane of the fore skull does not match the plane of the muzzle.....many of these dogs have little length of neck or length of long bone to accompany it. They are often too upright on both ends. As predictable, choppy is as choppy does, standing or moving. *There should be balance and symmetry and fluidity* in the all gaits for this breed. There should be effortless suspension , even at a walk, and a ground covering gallop. We have lost much of the grace and athleticism of the breed, in favor of prevailing show ring ideals, today. The very "flying trot" that we all love to see, is a rarity...instead we are given, tight leads, excessive speed, and smoke-and-mirrors. Slow them down, and watch ... Yes a dog with shortened skull ratios , upper arm, layback, croup, stifle, and bone that is coarse rather than appropriate, will give you a quick footed, racing-to appear-ground- covering , ruse of a side gait. Watch it go loose, watch it off lead, watch it at different speeds....the deficits will be glaring. Kathy http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com ~or~ http://www.germanshepherdssocal.com PUP-DATED: MAY 6, 2009 Home of: CH. Elvaston's Nations Cup TC, 26 BOBs CH. Victory's Leviathan CH. Garter's E-Male of Fran-Jo Anne Isle WE SUPPORT DRUG AND DYE TESTING ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================