I agree with you Angie when it comes to surgery to save a torsioned dog. I did it once and realized the pain and torture that my guy endured to survive for ..... me? Never again will I put myself first. Live and learn, it's a hard lesson. Kate Syssoloff Rockannand ----- Original Message ----- From: charangsd@xxxxxxx To: janandmort@xxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 9:08:58 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Fwd: Re: Toxic Gut Syndrome I had a beautiful sable male that went BOM and had 2 majors torsion, we did the surgery and 6 months later he died of toxic gut . I told myself , I would never do another surgery again to save one that bloated, torsioned again. It was devastating on me and my beautiful dog. The recuperation from the surgery can also be very hard on them. Angie Martin Charan GSD's Home of 08 So. Pacific BIM Ch. Charan's Masquerade of Kimber Co-owner/Breeder of Int'l Ch. & US Ch. Charan's Magic Spell of Sandroc Kimber's Faith of Charan (pts) Dam of above sable sisters -----Original Message----- From: Morton Goldfarb <janandmort@xxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:57 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Fwd: Re: Toxic Gut Syndrome -----Original Message----- From: Morton Goldfarb <janandmort@xxxxxxx> To: Bokenkampgsd1 <Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx> Sent: Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:56 am Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Toxic Gut Syndrome I had a beautiful youngster years ago that had toxic gut syndrome and that we lost. My dear friend, Jack Ogren, told me to start using Prozyme and we have since that time --15-20 years ago-- we have used with no problems. He used it for years. Morton What was was, what is is --but what was is and what is was!! Morton Goldfarb -----Original Message----- From: Bokenkampgsd1 <Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx> To: wynsum <wynsum@xxxxxxx>; showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:42 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Toxic Gut Syndrome But the only work if given with prebiotics too. Molly In a message dated 9/29/2012 10:02:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time, wynsum@xxxxxxx writes: Some say probiotics (yogart with live culture) can be preventative ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. 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