I agree. Had a girl a few years back who was bred days 17-23 and she would conceive. A relative of hers that I had was also bred much later as well. CandyZ On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 3:01 PM, <schattengsd@xxxxxxx> wrote: > In the last 8 years or so all my bitches seem to be bred later than I > remember of years ago. As you stated that > your girl accepted the male at 18 to 20 days seems to be very normal. The > earliest that I am seeing in my > girls is day 14 to 16 with day 16 to 18 being the best. Anyone notice > this with their Girls in recent years? > > Lois Gregor-Heine > Schatten Shepherds > Sonoma, Ca. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blackhawkfarms214 <blackhawkfarms214@xxxxxxxxx> > To: showgsd-l GSDList <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wed, Mar 12, 2014 10:43 am > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Fwd: Re: The old days of breeding. > > > thanks for the lively discussion. Its interesting to note that some of the > things we speak of in GSDs are not "standard protocol" in my second breed > (Smooth Fox Terriers). While I will do a VC and BC to make sure all is > well, most stud dog owners DO NOT AI nor do they ship semen. They also > feel that if the dog doesn't breed naturally, there are issues. Just > recently, I bred my Hannah to a well known stud named Mac. While I was a > bit early for the breeding it was "Day 10". The stud dog owner did not want > to hear about "days".. he said, "she still looks a little dark in her > discharge and not quite swollen". I came prepared with my AI kit and asked > if we wanted to try. He promptly told me, "NO! Put that thing away!!!. If > he wont breed on his own, he doesn't get to breed." > Went home, waited a couple of days, and sure enough she started flagging > and standing. Back to the stud dog owners, 10 mins, had her tied.2 days > later, she tied again naturally. Now according to my "dates" this was day > 18 and day 20. and technically she should be going out of season. But > according to the "dogs", she was ready then. The stud dog owner says, in > Smooths they will rarely AI a dog, they should breed naturally and if not, > take that as a sign that the bitch shouldn't be bred. I thought it odd that > with all the advances we have made in dog breeding a simple collection and > insemination could "solve" (note use of quotations) any breeding issues. > > Mike > > > ===========================================================================POST > is Copyrighted 2014. All material remains the property of the original > author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any > kind > are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the > Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. 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