[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Fwd: Letter of the Law V. Spirit of the Law...long
- From: caggra@xxxxxxx
- To: dgshwpromo@xxxxxxxxx, Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:17:40 -0400
I like a lot of what you have said Sheila. I can see this from a few
angles.Â
First of all, no you cannot legislate honesty & intregrity. You are right.Â
However, the AKC is very very VERY clear that it must do it's best to avoid any
appearance of impropriety.  So, no a few days or weeks or months for that
matter is not going to guarantee honesty & integrity. A judge will either be
honest or they won't. Some judges could judge dogs presented by handlers that
showed for them last weekend and would do a fine job. On the other hand,
some judges could judge dogs presented by handlers, friends etc. more than 2
years ago and still not do an honest job. I like to think that MOST of our
judges are the good ones I mentioned first. Â
However, AKC and our parent club has a responsibility to maintain an overall
appearance of fairness in our sport. We cannot afford to have judges,
handlers, or exhibitors purposely and intentionally playing around with the
given guidelines. That jeapordizes the integrity of our entire system and it
reflects poorly on all.Â
I do not think that any dog's wins should be jeapordized from the discussed
situation. I doubt that the owners of the winning dogs went in knowing and
purposely gambled with this rule.Â
However, I do think that rules are rules. I believe that in the end the
responsibilty (as far as AKC is concerned) falls on a judge to say to a handler
walking into their ring "I am sorry but you are not permitted to exhibit to me
today".   I don't know all the specifics about when the handler showed for
the judge, except to hear it was 8 days short of 4 months. Was that show
really that important to risk violating that rule? Even if it is a silent
co-ownership. Why not just skip that weekend 3 3/4 months ago? Why not get
another handler or a junior as Sheila stated. I am not saying that this is
what happened, but it gives the appearance that both judge and handler rolled
the dice and knew what they were doing. That, to me, is the overlying
issue.Â
If we say 8 days is ok. What about next time 10 or 17 days? Then
20-something....Then, why have a rule to begin with. Integrity & sportmanship
is everything in a sport.  We are at a cross-road as it is with entries, new
people etc.  We don't want to lose anyone for any reason.Â
JMO,
Jeff Pyle
-----Original Message-----
From: sheila lieberman <dgshwpromo@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 12:09 pm
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Fwd: Letter of the Law V. Spirit of the Law...long
Personally this affect me NOT. But I will say the following any way!!!!
First I know judges that are careful about where they take assignments to
void handlers they know they want to use, or to not use handlers who will show
here they will judge. These same people want to wait 6 months so that people
annot even begin to worry about this issue.
The boundary is ultimately arbitrary, no matter what any one thinks is enough
r not enough. This ought to be a great way for new handlers and juniors to get
andling jobs from judges!!!!
However, 8 days is also arbitrary in the long run. And if the dog was so
reat a dog, and not bred or connected to the judge in the ring, then the win
hould be left alone.
And besides, the man is sick. This can wait until he can discuss this
imself.
sheila
arbmarkh@xxxxxxx wrote:
-----Original Message-----
rom: barbmarkh@xxxxxxx
o: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
ent: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:40 am
ubject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Letter of the Law V. Spirit of the Law...long
his is a Great Post - BUT - I have to say that I see this more as "Spirit of
he Law" -Ã? The 4 month rule is to help people see that the judge remain
mpartial - now is a judge impartial at 3 months and 15 days - or 4 months and
0 days - after all the AKC says at least 4 months - so now are we talking 4 1/2
onths or what?Ã? Ã? Also - I doubt that Paul and Jerry set out to break any
ules - The original animal in question I heard is co-owned in name only with
he Roots - the main owner books all the shows and pays all the bills - so the
oots didn't hire or employ Jerry -Ã? perhaps Paul didn't think it was right to
eny Jerry the ability to show at a "Futurity" - that like a National are
ifferent for exhibitors and handlers (it must be special - they charge us more
han usual - right?)Ã? On the front of the entry form - the only place these
ules are referrenced - it says they request adherence - not that one must
dhere to the 4 month rule . . .
No explaination makes this over 4 months - but perhaps - if we think about it -
t might could soften our retoric on the subject - - after all I thought the
peed limit analogy very similar -
Question - if this is a santioned match - and all AKC rules are to be followed
-
hy wasn't the complaint filled at the show and handled by a Bench Show
ommittee - like as soon as Jerry walked in the ring the first time - It clearly
ays that that is the correct procedure - That would of ended the question on
hat day - Now - is it being handled by the ethics committee?Ã? I heard that
veryone had paid the $50.00 - if its the ethics committee - then why did the
how Chair have the complaints?
Inquiring minds are interested
arb
----Original Message-----
rom: Edwin Hill
o: freelist
ent: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:26 am
ubject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Letter of the Law V. Spirit of the Law...long
Years and years ago during one of my "criminal justice" classes at San Jose
ate Univ. we discussed the difference between the "Spirit of the law" and the
etter of the law"...let me use examples to make my point ( Basu and other
nadians pay close attention)...say you are driving one or two miles over the
eed limit, well you have actually broken the law and you can be rightfully
ven a speeding ticket...but that's not going to happen because you have not
oken the "Spirit of the Law".....now let's say ( and this would never happen
any of you guys) you get pulled over for Drunk Driving....the legal limit is
8 and you blow a .09....you only went over by a little bit....that's right,
u guessed it, you're going straight to jail because some laws for obvious
asons must be strictly enforced......I don't know what exactly happened at the
turity in Washington last month, I was not there. I was told that the "four
nth handling rule'' came into question and was
ossibly violated...well if this is in fact true, to me this is like the "drunk
iving" law. The letter of the law should be enforced. The appearance of
irness should never be sacrificed. Whatever the penalties are for breaking
is rule should be enforced fairly and quickly. None of us are perfect, ... Dr.
il said...if you choose the behavior, you choose the consequence....FB
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