I wish to share just a bit of experience. My granddaughter Amy, bred and raised a German Shepherd Dog person recently with her boy friend bought a lovely Dobie. How they love him. They took him to our many years vet who is a professional with Dobermans and had his ears cut and wrapped as well as his tail recut as it was very ugly evidently done by the owners. Painful I am sure. But anyway after the pup had his ears done Amy brought him to me to see and he was wonderful. Wandered around the yard and in everyway acted like life was good. Also just to look at, his tail now looks splendid. Days go by, back to the vet for follow up care, wrapping etc. Home to show me and once again pup is delightful and in super spirits. Learned to sit on command while just such a baby, sleeps in bed with his owners, spoiled rotten but still a wonderful happy outgoing puppy. I will never for a minute deny this pup must have had some pain but you would never know it. Now another story. Years ago Amy's mother went to the pound to get a kitten and came home with an adult cat who already had her toenails removed. A lovely cat. As life sometimes goes I am now the owner of this cat. She is 12 years old now. A sweet fat happy cat. Never a problem with HER wrecking the furniture. But I also have another cat who has his claws! I am always cutting them as he thinks the furniture is here for just his pleasure. Would I have his nails removed? No! But would I support a bill that makes it illegal? Never? Same as the Doberman bill. Amy's dog is living proof if done well and with a respected knowledgeable vet it can be done in a very humane way. Sharon Allbright > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================